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Old 02-16-2008, 04:27 PM
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An 83-year-old former Nazi prison camp guard has been transferred to Italy to serve a life sentence for murder.

Michael Seifert arrived in Rome from Canada where he had been fighting a battle against extradition.

An Italian military tribunal convicted him in absentia in 2000 of 11 murders at a prison camp in the northern city of Bolzano.

Seifert admits to having been a guard at the camp but denies being involved in atrocities.

Seifert arrived shortly before dawn from Toronto on a military jet.

The military prosecutor behind the case, Bartolomeo Constantini, described him as "a little wobbly" after leaving the plane. Mr Constantini says Seifert has a pacemaker but is generally healthy.

Seifert was taken to a prison near Naples and was to undergo a medical examination. He may serve the sentence under house arrest because of his age.

The Verona-based military tribunal that convicted him heard testimony that Seifert committed acts of brutality while an SS guard.

Witnesses accused him of leaving a prisoner to starve to death, raping and killing a pregnant woman and gouging an inmate's eyes out.

Towards the end of World War II, the Bolzano camp was used to house Jews, resistance fighters and German army deserters who were being transported further north.

Seifert was born in Ukraine and went on to work as a Nazi guard after the German occupation. After the war, he concealed his past and entered Canada in 1951.

In 2002, he was arrested after a request from Italy. His attempts to resist extradition reached a dead end in Canada's Supreme Court last month when it refused to hear his appeal.

His lawyers argued that he had been convicted unfairly in Italy. They also accused the Canadian authorities of bias.

Seifert's extradition has been welcomed by groups campaigning for Nazi war criminals to be brought to justice.

Avi Benlolo, of the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies in Canada, said it was critical that Seifert faced justice in Italy.

"It sets an example for other war criminals, not only Nazi war criminals, but war criminals related to Rwanda, Bosnia, Darfur or any other genocide," he said.
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I'm undecided. but what do you think why or why not should an old person who committed horrible crimes over 60 years ago be sent to prison ?

His crimes were atrocious, but is our behaviour not the product of our environment ? This mans environment being the awful Nazi regime imposed the German people. Is it not only natural that his behaviour would reflect that environment ?

Or have the courts been too leniant ? Why should he get special dispensation just because he is old and the crimes happened over 60 years ago ? Should he have been sent to death like many other nazis were ?
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If he did the crime he should do the time
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I'm undecided. but what do you think why or why not should an old person who committed horrible crimes over 60 years ago be sent to prison ?

His crimes were atrocious, but is our behaviour not the product of our environment ? This mans environment being the awful Nazi regime imposed the German people. Is it not only natural that his behaviour would reflect that environment ?

Or have the courts been too leniant ? Why should he get special dispensation just because he is old and the crimes happened over 60 years ago ? Should he have been sent to death like many other nazis were ?
From one stance, I'd say that he does need to serve time for what he did. However from another stance, all of Germany were silent accomplices or complacent actors in genocide. Should not every German who was of reasonable age and who exercised power above the average means serve time for what was done?
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He helped in one of the worst crimes against humanity in history but at the same time why give him another sentence if he's almost dead now?
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From one stance, I'd say that he does need to serve time for what he did. However from another stance, all of Germany were silent accomplices or complacent actors in genocide. Should not every German who was of reasonable age and who exercised power above the average means serve time for what was done?
Exactly, that is why i am torn - it would have been quite easy to be lead to commit atrocities being in that society. What would have happened if he had stood up ? he would have been a prisoner in the camp rather than a guard.

On the other hand it does say he raped and tortured, i dont think those are crimes which even the nazi regime compelled him to do.
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Was he an officer?
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Was he an officer?
I dont think so, it seems he was just a lowly camp guard.
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He was tried in two separate courts in two justice systems in two different countries. The Canadian court refused an appeal against the findings. It appears he did what he is accused of.

Raping and killing a pregnant woman? Gouging out a person's eyes? If true, this is above and beyond the call of duty.

He has had his life in Canada since those things happened. It is more than he deserved. Now his time has come.
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He was tried in two separate courts in two justice systems in two different countries. The Canadian court refused an appeal against the findings. It appears he did what he is accused of.

Raping and killing a pregnant woman? Gouging out a person's eyes? If true, this is above and beyond the call of duty.

He has had his life in Canada since those things happened. It is more than he deserved. Now his time has come.
In that case, send his *** to Israel. I'm sure they'll give him a royal treatment.
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In that case, send his *** to Israel. I'm sure they'll give him a royal treatment.
Now that is an idea

I'm sure some Russian villages would like to get their hands on him too.
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