Ex SS Guard Sent to Prison - Page 2 - Political Fever

#11 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 06:29 PM

Well, as M said, do the crime do the time. He didn't just follow orders if what those witnesses said is true.

Yet he's still enjoyed a free life.

That is not justice.

Phædrus · #12 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 07:52 PM

I think he might deserve a shortened sentence under house arrest, as opposed to the full sentence in prison. He must still be punished for his crimes - time does not excuse him - but in his old age it would be ridiculous to put him in an actual prison.

mono tejano · #13 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Chavez

I'm sure some Russian villages would like to get their hands on him too.

Even though the vast majority of them are long dead by now,

tons of people in western Russia, Belorus, Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states willingly worked as guards in the Nazi camps and were fully aware of what was going on and what they were doing. The vast majority of them could never have been tried for any crimes they might have committed since the Red army killed them all as soon as they had a chance, just like they killed most of the returned prisoners of war. These people had seen how the other half lived and were more of a liability than anything having to do with their crimes.

Most people in the former Soviet Union would probably not even care one way or the other about this old man and at best, would say, let him die, he's old, leave him alone.

Comrade Joe · #14 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mono tejano

Even though the vast majority of them are long dead by now,

tons of people in western Russia, Belorus, Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic states willingly worked as guards in the Nazi camps and were fully aware of what was going on and what they were doing. The vast majority of them could never have been tried for any crimes they might have committed since the Red army killed them all as soon as they had a chance, just like they killed most of the returned prisoners of war. These people had seen how the other half lived and were more of a liability than anything having to do with their crimes.

Most people in the former Soviet Union would probably not even care one way or the other about this old man and at best, would say, let him die, he's old, leave him alone.

Firstly, the Nazis killed more Russians than they did Jews. Secondly, there were Jews who collaborated with the nazis. So on your logic the Israelis wouldnt want to hurt him either

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Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).

2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise, to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.

3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler

It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and sisters. Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv", while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich. In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern Gang. Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist "National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of Zionism.

This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of Germany" is worth quoting at some length:

"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and the Zionist emigration program takes the view that: 1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as embodied by the NMO. 2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed, folkish-national Jewry. 3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.

"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively take part in the war on the side of Germany.

"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures, outside as well. Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO. They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering Palestine, should such a front be formed.

The Israelis and the Holocaust "The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England".

The Role of Zionism in the Holocaust

Phædrus · #15 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Chavez

Firstly, the Nazis killed more Russians than they did Jews. Secondly, there were Jews who collaborated with the nazis. So on your logic the Israelis wouldnt want to hurt him either

Jews who collaborated to save their lives or the lives of their families, only to be taken to the concentration camps as soon as they stopped being useful. Your point?

Comrade Joe · #16 (**permalink**) 02-16-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Phædrus

Jews who collaborated to save their lives or the lives of their families, only to be taken to the concentration camps as soon as they stopped being useful. Your point?

you didnt read the article.

Drakej · #17 (**permalink**) 02-17-2008, 03:25 AM

I feel that he should be punished for his crimes. He assisted in the killing and torture of people that where punished because of there religion. I do not care how much time has passed, he wanted to play the game and his team lost. He deserves to be punished.

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