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02-08-2008, 10:06 PM
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Are some races incapable of advancement ?
This is a follow on from another thread that was going off topic. I personally find such a belief deplorable and revolting. No race is inferior, there are accomplished people from all races.
But is there anyone who out there who actually agrees with this comment Quote:
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Viva Fidel If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America? 
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02-08-2008, 10:29 PM
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I most certainly don't.
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02-09-2008, 02:12 AM
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At one time it was thought only Europeans and their descendants (Americans) could achieve economic, political, and social superiority on their own. The Japanese quickly disproved that theory.
What race qualifies as incapable, exactly? At one time the Chinese and Middle East societies outperformed the Europeans. The reason sub-Saharan groups have typically not performed well is geography. They were isolated from the Silk Road, like the aborigines in America and Australia. Furthermore, they, like the aborigines, were exploited by European colonialists. We saw the same problem in Asia prior to the anti-imperialist movements in China, Japan, and Manchuria. In 300 years, Europeans may well be the ones "left in the dust."
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02-09-2008, 02:32 AM
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There are many who do believe it. Just look at Stormfront.
I think that many of the differences, inequalities are really just geographical happenstance. For example, if you look at the people of Papa New Guinea, they do have agriculture, but it's an inferior type of agriculture because crops originating in other parts of the world, such as rice, potatoes, wheat, barley, etc were not native to the region, nor did they grow well there anyway. It's like being dealt a hand of cards. It also helps if you happened to be near groups which happened to develop certain technologies, have certain resources, etc. Consequently, they were at a very distinct disadvantage. Those crops were labourious to grow, but didn't provide key nutrients or store well, so it limited population size, complexity, etc. That's, in addition to their relative isolation, was one reason they developed they way they did. You can see a similar thing happen between New Zealand and the Chattam Islands as well as in the Northern Australian Interior.
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02-09-2008, 02:55 AM
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What we do know is it is certainly not a product of race as some would suggest, there are succesful people of all races in the world.
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Viva Fidel If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?
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02-09-2008, 03:07 AM
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But imperialism has to be reliant on something else, or you make the mistake of deeming Europeans an ethnic or race-based phenomena.
I think imperialism is based off of luck and geography.
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02-09-2008, 03:14 AM
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I think colonialism and imperialism did contribute the to the problem, but there's an underlying reason why Europe conquered so many lands, and not the opposite happening to Europe.
I agree with Diamond: guns germs and steel are the reasons for why some won and some didn't, but the greater question is geography, because it was the origin of their guns, germs, and steel in the first place. Despite bringing a lot of benefits, colonailism and then the rapid decolonialization screwed things up pretty badly.
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02-09-2008, 03:23 AM
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Viva Fidel If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?
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02-09-2008, 03:24 AM
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Viva Fidel If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?
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