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Old 08-07-2008, 03:16 AM
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Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a man who couldn't hold a candle stick to Tolstoy, died.

Hopefully the devil saved a nice plot of fire next to Stalin for him (I hear the devil frequented Russia before). Pretzel man sold out his mates to the guards for some smokes, and now the media is calling him a genius and wonderful person. Truly compassionate. Better attach some magnets to my corpse when I die; the spinning shouldn't go to waste.

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He went well beyond what they could tolerate. For example, he called for direct intervention by the United States in the USSR -- of a sort that could very well lead to war and, far short of that, is likely to harm the Russian dissidents themselves. Also, he denounced American weakness in abandoning the struggle to subdue the Vietnamese resistance, publicly opposed democratic reforms in Spain, supported a journal that called for censorship in the United States, and so on. Nonetheless, the press never ceased marveling at what an absolute moral giant this man was. In our petty lives, we can barely imagine such heights of moral grandeur.
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Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, a man who couldn't hold a candle stick to Tolstoy, died.

Hopefully the devil saved a nice plot of fire next to Stalin for him (I hear the devil frequented Russia before). Pretzel man sold out his mates to the guards for some smokes, and now the media is calling him a genius and wonderful person. Truly compassionate. Better attach some magnets to my corpse when I die; the spinning shouldn't go to waste.



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The article to which you link unabashedly speaks of "the supposed menace posed by the USSR." The pro-Soviet nature of this commentary makes it just about as impressive to me as the commentary of, say, the Grand Kleagle of the KKK or the leader of an Aryan Nations cell.

By the way, there is something inherently uncivil and below-the-belt about one's speaking ill of the recently departed. I would make an exception, I admit, for Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri--or for anyone promoting an insurgency against the West (in particular "The Great Satan," a.k.a. the US; and "The Little Satan," a.k.a. Israel); but not for those with whom I merely disagree politically or philosophically.

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I think within that exception are pro-tzarist, pro-execution dolts who sell out their friends' lives for some smokes. To me he was a murderer.

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I think within that exception are pro-tzarist, pro-execution dolts who sell out their friends' lives for some smokes. To me he was a murderer.

Hopefully more anti-Semites pass into the devil's realm.
Do you have any proof of the accusations contained in the first sentence, from a source that does not tilt significantly to the left?

By the way, I do not know if Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was an anti-Semite or not; if he was, well, it is a disgraceful attribute. But Winston Churchill was apparently anti-Semitic also; yet I view him as the principal hero of WWII. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., at times, was a fellow-traveler with communists; yet this cannot fairly be used to attempt to vitiate his enormous accomplishments in the field of civil rights. And Thomas Jefferson owned slaves; but he was nonetheless a great man, in my opinion--especially since it would be unfair to superimpose contemporary standards upon those who lived 200 years ago.
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Do you have any proof of the accusations contained in the first sentence, from a source that does not tilt significantly to the left?

By the way, I do not know if Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was an anti-Semite or not; if he was, well, it is a disgraceful attribute. But Winston Churchill was apparently anti-Semitic also; yet I view him as the principal hero of WWII. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., at times, was a fellow-traveler with communists; yet this cannot fairly be used to attempt to vitiate his enormous accomplishments in the field of civil rights. And Thomas Jefferson owned slaves; but he was nonetheless a great man, in my opinion--especially since it would be unfair to superimpose contemporary standards upon those who lived 200 years ago.
If you do not know Solzie's personal views towards Jews, or the fact he betrayed friends in the gulags, I question how much of his works you've actually read.

The fact you would even draw a thread of comparison between King's involvement in the socialist movement and Winston Churchill's racial shortfalls is disgusting at best, and plainly ridiculous. I don't recall attacking Jefferson or anyone for opinions that would have been highly unlikely during their era.. Yes, Jefferson was a man living 200 years ago. Solzhenitsyn kept kicking into the 21st century. Even George Wallace learned something in his life. (I should make note that Jefferson should never be completely exonerated - for all his internal struggles, the man knew that giving up his slaves would equate to less wealth and convenience and thus acted in favor of greed. There are no gods in men. He should be faulted for his slavery, regardless of the cultural mainstream)

If you think a pro-tzarist anti-Semite (pro-theocrat, anti-democrat) writing about the injustices done to him is a great man, be my guess. We can part ways on his funeral.
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The fact you would even draw a thread of comparison between King's involvement in the socialist movement and Winston Churchill's racial shortfalls is disgusting at best, and plainly ridiculous.
It certainly isn't plain to me. Why, pray tell, would you find the comparison "ridiculous"?

The overriding accomplishment of Winston Churchill was his successful effort in guiding the Allies to victory in WWII. With Dr. Martin Luther King, it was his tremendous breakthroughs in pricking Americans' consciences, thereby leading to the passage of historical civil-rights legislation. And with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, it was his strenuous opposition to totalitarian ideology. Despite the personal shortcomings of any of these men, their monumental achievements cannot be denied; and these cannot fairly be subordinated to their personal failings.

Would it be fair to suggest that you may be philosophically opposed to the anti-totalitarians of the world; and that you may be prone to seize upon the personal failings of the anti-totalitarians, in order to try to undermine their moral authority?
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I would make an exception, I admit, for Osama bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahiri--or for anyone promoting an insurgency against the West
I wonder why the double standard? Could it be that you come from the west?
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I wonder why the double standard? Could it be that you come from the west?
Yes, I do. From America, more specifically.

But there is no double standard at all. An exception, yes; but that is far from the same thing. It would be very hard not to celebrate the death of terrorists, who target a nation's citizenry in order to try to bring it to its knees--and ultimately, to undermine all democracies, and install sharia law throughout the entire world. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's opposition to tyranny is in no way comparable to that.
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