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Old 07-21-2008, 12:05 PM
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Gas prices are not going to go down. Oil could fall to $5.00 a barrel and gas prices still wouldn't go down.
And the logic behind that would be...?
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:21 PM
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Observation. Oil prices fell and gas prices have not followed suit. Demand in the US has fallen and prices in the US have not followed suit (it doesn't matter what happens in other countries, their prices are not our prices). The rise in gas prices is an intentional act by real people (so, don't give me any of your supply and demand crap) who are intent on making a whole hell of a lot of money. There may also be something else going on: a process setting us up for greater government control over society, including a global government complete with a global currency and global regulation of the economy.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:27 PM
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Observation. Oil prices fell and gas prices have not followed suit. Demand in the US has fallen and prices in the US have not followed suit (it doesn't matter what happens in other countries, their prices are not our prices). The rise in gas prices is an intentional act by real people (so, don't give me any of your supply and demand crap) who are intent on making a whole hell of a lot of money. There may also be something else going on: a process setting us up for greater government control over society, including a global government complete with a global currency and global regulation of the economy.
Sorry, but since it is a global commodity, gobal prices are what count. And anyway, I am seeing a price drop in gas.

You do know that gas prices are set by the gas stations (each station independently) and you know that they make very little money, right? If oil falls to $5 a barrel, gas will drop, because if gas stations are only paying $0.50 a gallon, then some of them will lower their prices to take customers from those that refuse to lower prices, that's how supply and demand works.
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Gas prices are not going to go down. Oil could fall to $5.00 a barrel and gas prices still wouldn't go down.
Absolutely right. Gas and oil simply isn't a simplistic supply/demand thing.

Now that the oil companies have finally figured out that we will pay literally any price, what possible incentive would they have to bring prices down?

So, because the oil market isn't free whatsoever, and is subject to price fixing and whatnot, it's even more reason why it needs to be de-commodified and regulated. When Exxon reports record profits directly off our backs, for something that we DON'T have a choice in, that's no market.

If we didn't elect oilmen to government, this wouldn't have been so bad.
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Sorry, but since it is a global commodity, gobal prices are what count. And anyway, I am seeing a price drop in gas.
It can't be a very significant drop since the national average hasn't significantly dropped.

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You do know that gas prices are set by the gas stations (each station independently) and you know that they make very little money, right? If oil falls to $5 a barrel, gas will drop, because if gas stations are only paying $0.50 a gallon, then some of them will lower their prices to take customers from those that refuse to lower prices, that's how supply and demand works.
But the gas station owners do have to pay others for the gasoline that they sell and these others have to pay others. Of course the guy on the bottom is making the least amount of money!

Oh, and in some places, it's actually illegal to lower one's prices all that much lower than the other gas stations:

Laws in several states require gasoline retailers to set gasoline prices at minimum levels, thus artificially inflating the price at the pump.

In Maryland, Minnesota, New York, Wisconsin, and several other states, minimum gas price laws require gasoline retailers to set a minimum price for gasoline based on the current average wholesale price. In each case, lobbyist groups for service station organizations pushed the laws through.

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Old 07-21-2008, 12:46 PM
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What we are still seeing here is about a 10 to 15 cent drop in gas prices at the pump, which still does not equal percentage wise the drop in the price of a barrel of oil.
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What we are still seeing here is about a 10 to 15 cent drop in gas prices at the pump, which still does not equal percentage wise the drop in the price of a barrel of oil.
Right, and that 10-15 cents could easily be wiped out by news tomorrow, and speculators decide to fiddle some more. And, if I owned a gas station, why drop prices when people are paying through the nose? The base oil price drop won't necessarily mandate a drop in gas price at all.

I am just not buying this $100/barrel stuff. I mean, yes, I know that's the price, but I am not buying that the costs of oil have suddenly skyrocketed. It's not like we're down to the last five drops. I accept that we'll never see $1.25/gallon again, but come on. Gas should be roughly $2.00.
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What we are still seeing here is about a 10 to 15 cent drop in gas prices at the pump, which still does not equal percentage wise the drop in the price of a barrel of oil.
I've already shown that gas cost and oil cost are not a 1:1 match, and we should not see equal % drops or climbs in their price.
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