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Old 07-11-2008, 10:02 PM
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It seems some people are waking up to how capitalism works.

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Thousands of people have joined marches and strikes across Peru in protest at rising prices and the government's free-market policies.

They say the government has not spread the wealth from an economic boom.

Strikers gathered in a main square in the capital, Lima, waving red flags and accusing President Alan Garcia of being a traitor to his socialist roots.

Transport was disrupted but the protests were largely peaceful. Police say they arrested about 200 people.

The protesters say the president's free market policies are benefiting only the business sector and multinational companies, leaving the poor behind.

They complain that Peru is enjoying one of the world's highest growth rates, which ran at about 9% last year and is forecast to be around 8% this year, but pay remains low and the cost of living keeps rising.

Mario Huaman, the leader of the trade union federation which organised the strike, said it was a success - with people from textiles workers to retired policemen turning out to protest.

"This is a government of the rich and the transnational companies," he said.

Mr Huaman said growth should "benefit the majority of the population" and that wealth should be better distributed to improve investment in health, education and security.

The government said fewer than one in 10 workers joined the strike.

"The population has shown that it didn't have... the will to leave the country paralysed," President Garcia said in a televised address.

But in a rare move, Mr Garcia said he acknowledged there was dissatisfaction in a large section of Peruvian society and saluted those who protested peacefully.

Peru's mining sector is capitalising on high metals prices, driven by demand from China and India.

But the export-based economy largely benefits the main cities on the coast while in the Andean and Amazon interior most people still live in poverty.
BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Anti-government protests hit Peru
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Good on them, the only way we can get rid of capitalism is if the people wake up to its true form and how it works through their opression.
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Meh. The answer isn't to eradicate capitalism, and the left wing leaders of Latin America recognize that. The answer is to make sure that it works for the people.
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Any government will fail when the leaders are corrupt.

Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, etc...

When the government takes care of the rich and big business better than the middle class and small business, the government will eventually fail.

Right now, in the USA, the Republicans take better care of the rich and big business.
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Meh. The answer isn't to eradicate capitalism, and the left wing leaders of Latin America recognize that. The answer is to make sure that it works for the people.
For the moment yes, because they must, but capitalism will always produce inequality and this must eventually be eradicated, but at the moment these nations must work within a capitalist world. And a world dominated by an agressive power who, it can be proven historically, would rather have an opressive right-wing power than a democratically elected and popular moderate left-wing government in other nations.
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Any government will fail when the leaders are corrupt.

Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, etc...

When the government takes care of the rich and big business better than the middle class and small business, the government will eventually fail.

Right now, in the USA, the Republicans take better care of the rich and big business.
Both the mainstream parties higher reps are mostly corrupt. They are not worried aout helping the rich or big business, just keeping their jobs/or getting better ones, getting more power, and getting cash.
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For the moment yes, because they must, but capitalism will always produce inequality and this must eventually be eradicated, but at the moment these nations must work within a capitalist world. And a world dominated by an agressive power who, it can be proven historically, would rather have an opressive right-wing power than a democratically elected and popular moderate left-wing government in other nations.
Yes and that inequality is not a bad thing either. I would not want it to be irradiated. The people that work and make good decisions should not be equal to those that are lazy. I doctor with a 10-year degree should not be equal to the mail man.
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For the moment yes, because they must, but capitalism will always produce inequality and this must eventually be eradicated, but at the moment these nations must work within a capitalist world. And a world dominated by an agressive power who, it can be proven historically, would rather have an opressive right-wing power than a democratically elected and popular moderate left-wing government in other nations.
It doesn't work like that. "Capitalism" (a buzz word) doesn't "always" produce anything. Nor does "socialism."

Human caprice comes along and fcks and system with a broomstick.

There is no such thing as in immoral economic system. Just immoral people who manipulate it for their own good.
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It doesn't work like that. "Capitalism" (a buzz word) doesn't "always" produce anything. Nor does "socialism."

Human caprice comes along and fcks and system with a broomstick.

There is no such thing as in immoral economic system. Just immoral people who manipulate it for their own good.
Possibly, but whilst socialism recognises this capitalism does not. Yes, I know a socialist leader can be corrupt but then that leader is not socialist at all, so socialism is not to blame.
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Possibly, but whilst socialism recognises this capitalism does not. Yes, I know a socialist leader can be corrupt but then that leader is not socialist at all, so socialism is not to blame.
Socialism doesn't recognize anything at all.

You can't ascribe human characteristics to a non sentient idea.
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