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Old 06-26-2008, 11:51 AM
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But other than our mutual objection to the death penalty, why was the Court's decision right?
Given that I don't think that the death penalty is ever acceptable, I can't exactly tell you which crimes it is "more" acceptable for.
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Old 06-27-2008, 03:45 AM
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Some crimes are just so heinous, so offensive to civilized society, that one could see how those crimes warrant the death penalty. It is generally accepted that raping a child falls into that category.
Penalties exist to deter as well as to punish and to allow societal revenge. There's no deterrent to a child rapist who thinks that killing the victim is a good idea.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:50 AM
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The way I look at this, is every single chimo better be locked up for raping someone 18 years of age or lower for 25 to life from now on. I am so sick of seeing level 3 sex offenders coming out and moving into our neighborhoods. Why in the hell would you release someone with a high chance to re offend?

I am not psychologist but I would like to hear their thoughts on the claim that a chimo is going to murder his victim once he is done out of fear of getting the death penalty.
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The way I look at this, is every single chimo better be locked up for raping someone 18 years of age or lower for 25 to life from now on. I am so sick of seeing level 3 sex offenders coming out and moving into our neighborhoods. Why in the hell would you release someone with a high chance to re offend?

I am not psychologist but I would like to hear their thoughts on the claim that a chimo is going to murder his victim once he is done out of fear of getting the death penalty.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:58 AM
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Penalties exist to deter as well as to punish and to allow societal revenge. There's no deterrent to a child rapist who thinks that killing the victim is a good idea.
No, if a child rapist wants to kill the victim, nothing is going to stop him. So, you focus on punishment and not deterrence (not that the death penalty was ever really a deterrent).
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No, if a child rapist wants to kill the victim, nothing is going to stop him. So, you focus on punishment and not deterrence (not that the death penalty was ever really a deterrent).
I find your gross generalisation to be....gross

Saying the if a child rapist wants to kill the victim then he will is a bit of a circular argument I think. He wants to kill so he does. Well, yes, that's true. But it's not the point is it? My point was that if the rapist wanted to enhance his chances of not being caught and convicted then he should logically kill the child because the penalty for actions in raping the child is the same as his actions in killing the child so he has nothing to lose.
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If I were a child rapist, I guess I'd be glad to know that I had some of you guys on my side. Child rapists all over the country are standing up and cheering because of Kennedy and people like you. They get to keep on raping kids knowing that they won't be subjected to cruel punishment and they get to do it with a clean conscious knowing they don't have to kill their victims. Bad guys 1, children 0.

This is absolutely pathetic. I guess it's no wonder though, that someone named Kennedy would be oppossed to it.

Texas approved the death penalty for someone who was TWICE convicted of raping a child under the age of 14. You guys would rather give this person 3 hots and a cot and a chance of walking free someday than to put them to death? For their SECOND conviction?
Who knows what the standard penalty is now, life without parole is what I'd hope/guess. If that's the case and I were a child rapist, this is how I'd look at it. I rape this kid and I get caught, I get life without parole. If I kill him, I get the death penalty. Hmmmm, not much difference there as far as I'm concerned. If I kill him, I leave no witnesses, I risk the death penalty, but either way I'm spending the rest of my life in prison. So, I'm killing the kid and taking my chances. Do you see how this doesn't make sense? Do criminals really think this way? Who knows. But if it were me, I'm killing the kid and taking my chances.

What's really pathetic to me though is the fact that we're scared to punish a person because we think it will cause more crime. That's absolutley ridiculous. That's like saying, "maybe we should let men beat their wives, because if we punish them, they might go back and kill them". Sure, that happens, but we do the right thing and punish them anyway.

I certainly hope none of you who are cheering this decision as a good one are ever victims of this crime. I'd hate for your conscious to take a beating if this ever hit close to home.
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First of all, not all of those you would label 'liberal' are against the death penalty. Second, did you see the reasoning? If a rapist knows he will be put to death if caught, it increases the chance that he will rape and then murder the child. So in your mind, you feel it is better to kill them all, knowing that anyone in the future will kill the child after raping them because that decreases the likelihood that they will be caught?

I am for the death penalty, but I understand the viewpoint and it makes sense.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:21 AM
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If I were a child rapist, I guess I'd be glad to know that I had some of you guys on my side. Child rapists all over the country are standing up and cheering because of Kennedy and people like you. They get to keep on raping kids knowing that they won't be subjected to cruel punishment and they get to do it with a clean conscious knowing they don't have to kill their victims. Bad guys 1, children 0.

This is absolutely pathetic. I guess it's no wonder though, that someone named Kennedy would be oppossed to it.

Texas approved the death penalty for someone who was TWICE convicted of raping a child under the age of 14. You guys would rather give this person 3 hots and a cot and a chance of walking free someday than to put them to death? For their SECOND conviction?
Who knows what the standard penalty is now, life without parole is what I'd hope/guess. If that's the case and I were a child rapist, this is how I'd look at it. I rape this kid and I get caught, I get life without parole. If I kill him, I get the death penalty. Hmmmm, not much difference there as far as I'm concerned. If I kill him, I leave no witnesses, I risk the death penalty, but either way I'm spending the rest of my life in prison. So, I'm killing the kid and taking my chances. Do you see how this doesn't make sense? Do criminals really think this way? Who knows. But if it were me, I'm killing the kid and taking my chances.

What's really pathetic to me though is the fact that we're scared to punish a person because we think it will cause more crime. That's absolutley ridiculous. That's like saying, "maybe we should let men beat their wives, because if we punish them, they might go back and kill them". Sure, that happens, but we do the right thing and punish them anyway.

I certainly hope none of you who are cheering this decision as a good one are ever victims of this crime. I'd hate for your conscious to take a beating if this ever hit close to home.
I oppose the death penalty, regardless of the crime. However, for child rapists I would support castration followed by life without parole in a maximum security prison.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:03 AM
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The death penalty for child rape is entirely state business, as it is a political question and thus outside of the court's jurisdiction. This is bad law, and I wish Lousisiana would continue to kill these ****ers.
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