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Old 05-31-2008, 12:53 AM
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who knows...guess they dont have anything better to do. imagine their reactions if we started stereotyping them :smiley2:
Bring it on....I'm from Texas...but traveled.
The South is not the problem...it's the mentality. Questions?
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:06 AM
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Bring it on....I'm from Texas...but traveled.
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Sure. Tell us how you justify being a bigot towards Southeners.
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Sure. Tell us how you justify being a bigot towards Southeners.
Southerns tend to be "anti-intellectual", and some of the stereotypes, as portrayed on television are accurate representations of some Southerners.....such as Hee Haw, Petticoat Junction, Dallas, the Dukes of Hazzard, the Beverly Hillibillies, etc.....they are parodies, to be sure, but they wouldn't have resonated so well with audiences, if they didn't possess some "truth".

In Houston, most of the negative images associated with the civil rights movement was averted due to a "backroom deal" being cut between black community leaders and white power brokers, which allowed for "white businesses" to be 'quietly" and "unceremoniously" integrated, and the news of such relegated to a small blurb, in the back of the local newspaper, rather than the threat of a public protest during the televised victory parade of returning astronaut Gordon Cooper in '63.
What didn't change is the subtle undercurrent of contempt, held by whites, to this day, for persons of color, as exemplified by "poor service", inequality in terms of educational and job opportunities, unfair treatment by law enforcement and the judicial system, and an aire of indifference.

My own personal experience with "Southern hospitality", is a long and lengthy account, which belies the fact that I still reside in Houston, Texas, with "mixed feelings", which include frustration for my vain attempts at getting my "white" landlord to make necessary and reasonable improvements in my apartment, to having to eat "racially charged" comments from a salesclerk in a thrift store. Then there is the incident of where I was solicited by a state trooper in Luling, Texas, upon returning from a visit to San Antonio, to pay him personally to get out of a ticket for speeding....
So, "largely", Southerners tend to "rub me" the "wrong way". Not all, but many.
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Southerns tend to be "anti-intellectual", and some of the stereotypes, as portrayed on television are accurate representations of some Southerners.....such as Hee Haw, Petticoat Junction, Dallas, the Dukes of Hazzard, the Beverly Hillibillies, etc.....they are parodies, to be sure, but they wouldn't have resonated so well with audiences, if they didn't possess some "truth".

In Houston, most of the negative images associated with the civil rights movement was averted due to a "backroom deal" being cut between black community leaders and white power brokers, which allowed for "white businesses" to be 'quietly" and "unceremoniously" integrated, and the news of such relegated to a small blurb, in the back of the local newspaper, rather than the threat of a public protest during the televised victory parade of returning astronaut Gordon Cooper in '63.
What didn't change is the subtle undercurrent of contempt, held by whites, to this day, for persons of color, as exemplified by "poor service", inequality in terms of educational and job opportunities, unfair treatment by law enforcement and the judicial system, and an aire of indifference.

My own personal experience with "Southern hospitality", is a long and lengthy account, which belies the fact that I still reside in Houston, Texas, with "mixed feelings", which include frustration for my vain attempts at getting my "white" landlord to make necessary and reasonable improvements in my apartment, to having to eat "racially charged" comments from a salesclerk in a thrift store. Then there is the incident of where I was solicited by a state trooper in Luling, Texas, upon returning from a visit to San Antonio, to pay him personally to get out of a ticket for speeding....
So, "largely", Southerners tend to "rub me" the "wrong way". Not all, but many.
not gonna touch this one. you are double speaking here. there are a lot of 'intullectuls' in the south. you are perpetuating the stereotype. there are many i could use here as well but will not do so

you seem to have some serious issues with hostility and race, which runs contrary to what is going on now. there were, believe it or not, white southerners who VOTED FOR obama. blanket statements and hostilities and your own prejudices are not warranted, nor are the blanket attacks on southerners. its people adn comments like you are spouting off that can actually turn off voters to obama.

edit: i have not been to houston, so maybe things are different there than in ga, al and the carolinas. you can always move if you dont like your 'white' landlord. no one is making you stay. besides, i dont know that he/she is doing it because of race. there are landlords all over the country who dont make reasonable and necessary improvements to their units. its not racial, its financial greed.
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not gonna touch this one. you are double speaking here. there are a lot of 'intullectuls' in the south. you are perpetuating the stereotype. there are many i could use here as well but will not do so


Of course I'm "double speaking"...the issue is not "cut and dried". I have very many "white friends" who are Southerners, who do not fit "that mold"...I am speaking in "broad terms" (in case you hadn't figured it)


you seem to have some serious issues with hostility and race, which runs contrary to what is going on now. there were, believe it or not, white southerners who VOTED FOR obama. blanket statements and hostilities and your own prejudices are not warranted, nor are the blanket attacks on southerners. its people adn comments like you are spouting off that can actually turn off voters to obama.

Serious issues? Who wouldn't? And don't think for one minute that folks aren't voting for Obama for various and sundry reasons, several, of which, have nothing to do with his race, or his politics, or his church.
Identifying the fact that there are some problems with Southerners, aren't "blanket attacks", and not propelled by my own prejudices.
And if you think that curtailing my commentary, or not, can or would impact votes for Obama, you are indeed, "overreaching' and engaging in hyperbole.


edit: i have not been to houston, so maybe things are different there than in ga, al and the carolinas. you can always move if you dont like your 'white' landlord. no one is making you stay. besides, i dont know that he/she is doing it because of race. there are landlords all over the country who dont make reasonable and necessary improvements to their units. its not racial, its financial greed.

And, No, not everyone is in such a luxurious position, to "up and move" on a whim. Especially, in this economy. And I'm not 100 % sure, my problem is due to race, but I can't be sure it's not.
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i was in dc for quite a few of bush's years as president. whats sort of interesting, is that McClellan sort of does confirm the 'rumors' about bush that were nearly constantly floating about

considering his position and what he was defending on stage and his complete turn around, i believe him. he was obviously lied to and/or manipulated by rove, cheney or something. and then lied to the american people.

if its true, and he testifies to this under oath, i say good for him








hmmmm...so all us southerners are bigots, are we? thats nice. amazing how some of teh posters who make ridiculous reports ALL the time, also seem to be able to put it out there, but not take it? also find it hugely ironic, that many of those who gripe about stereotypes etc. actually perpetuate them themselves. nice

by the way, it was not truly a civil war. it was a war between the states. the confederacy did NOT want to take over dc, or the govt. it wanted to separate. big difference there

by the way and for the record. i am not, and will not, edit, report nor take any action in this thread. free speech and debate is great. however, a warning. should this thread spiral down into insults, or other inappropriate comments (which we all know what they are), the thread will be deleted
Aaronssongs & I are both Southerners. That puts us in an excellent position to comment on the close-minded bigotry we see all around us. And it was TRULY a civil war----brother vs. brother, cousin vs. cousin, family vs. family, Americans vs. Americans. The South DID want to take over DC----why do you think there were so many battles in Virginia & Maryland? Why do you think DC was ringed with forts & watch towers?

As for McClellan, it does appear he's telling the truth. But, I don't like the reason he says he wrote the book. That is, because he didn't like being lied to. He had no problem lying to the American people (he admits he did so knowingly) but only got pissed when HE was lied to. That makes him, in my book, a complete creep.
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Apparently we are. I'm still trying to figure out against what or who though, or how the people who disparage us could possibly justify themselves...
Obviously not all. Aaronssongs & I are both Southerners. We only disparage the mentality that is prevalent in the South; that is, the mentality you & others show on this board.
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who knows...guess they dont have anything better to do. imagine their reactions if we started stereotyping them :smiley2:
Go ahead. I'm a gun-totin', meat-eatin', Southern lib-ruhl. A walking contradiction. There should be much fodder for you.
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Exactly. The mentality is racist, sexist, homophobic, & Bible-based. All huge problems. If they don't like what they see in the mirror, & if they don't like others pointing it out, maybe they should change. The problem is them, not us, Aaron.
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Sure. Tell us how you justify being a bigot towards Southeners.
Tolerating intolerance is absurd. If we were to tolerate bigots, anything would be justified. You typical Southerners don't seem to understand common sense, either. Tolerance means letting things that do you know harm alone. Homosexuality does no harm to you. Teaching solid science in the classroom does no harm to you. Allowing women to vote does no harm to you.

You're asking us to tolerate racist, sexist, homophobic, Bible-based bigotry. Sorry----those things infringe on other's rights to exist. We're not gonna tolerate it. We're very intolerant of bigotry. Don't blame us because of your misunderstanding of what it means to be common sensical.
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