Georgia-Russia Tension Escalates Over Downed Drone - Political Fever

Bourne · #1 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 02:27 AM

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MOSCOW — Georgia accused Russia on Monday of violating its airspace and using a MIG fighter jet to shoot down a Georgian reconnaissance drone over the separatist territory of Abkhazia on Sunday.

Georgian Video of Shootdown Russia’s Air Force denied the Georgian claim, saying that none of its military planes flew in or near southwestern Russia on Sunday and that its pilots were not working that day.

But Georgia released what is said was the video recording of the final live feed received from the unarmed reconnaissance aircraft before it was struck by an air-to-air missile and crashed at 9:55 a.m. Sunday.

Buoyed with what it called clear evidence, Georgia countered with a diplomatic and public relations offensive. President Mikheil Saakashvili appeared on national television and said he had spoken with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and demanded an end to what he called “unprovoked aggression against the sovereign territory of Georgia.”

In a telephone interview Monday night, Mr. Saakashvili said he had spoken with Mr. Putin for about 40 minutes. He said that Mr. Putin had neither confirmed nor denied the attack, and that the two presidents had disagreed sharply about the status of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, two separatist enclaves in Georgia that receive intensive political and diplomatic Russian support.

Last week, Mr. Putin issued a decree expanding relations between Russia and the enclaves, including direct contacts with Russia’s ministries and pledges of economic and agricultural aid. Georgia called the decree a formal step in “a creeping annexation.”

Georgia-Russia Tension Escalates Over Downed Drone - New York Times

Note that Russia denied the claim and stated that none of their pilots were working that day. WTF!? Russia gave its air force the day off?

mlurp · #2 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 03:47 AM

Just what a commie state would do, lie. Russia will do all she need to gain her way. But the UN and NATO seem to have as strong desires as they do. And the drones come from somewheres. lol

Drakej · #3 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 09:33 AM

Here is the Video

Video: Russian MiG Shoots Georgian Drone | Danger Room from Wired.com

The Black Ghost · #4 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Putin: Uh...it...vas...big mistake...ve vere...hunting small bird.

New Governor Of Alaska · #5 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakej

Here is the Video

Video: Russian MiG Shoots Georgian Drone | Danger Room from Wired.com

Nice shot!

So... Let's see what happened here....

The Georgian president Michail Saakashvili sends an american-made spy plane to another country (Abkhazia) and a spy plane gets shot down. OK....

So what is the problem here? Is he complaining?

Does pro-American president (aka American puppet) of Georgia (who used to be a New-York lawyer) think that he can just send spy planes to other countries? Is he goofy or something?

America might give Mr. Michail Saakashvilia a hug and a big smile but it won't feed Georgia FOREVER.....

How can a former New York lawyer be so naiive?

New Governor Of Alaska · #6 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 06:36 PM

Russia says it was a well-organized provocation. Number of countries still have Russian MIGs, and USA is one of those countries.
Besides, it's not even clear from that video what kind of jet it was, it could be an F-18.

Video - RussiaToday : News : Georgia behind Abkhazia tensions: Putin

Drakej · #7 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 06:42 PM

Sure Georgia may have sent a drone into another countries airspace but what was a MiG doing in said countries space?

Why would the US shoot down a UAV? To frame Russia?

New Governor Of Alaska · #8 (**permalink**) 04-23-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakej

Sure Georgia may have sent a drone into another countries airspace but what was a MiG doing in said countries space?

America sent its F-18 (which looks like MIG-29) to stage this "event". Besides, US has Russian MIGs, so it doesn't have to use its F-18 jets.

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Originally Posted by Drakej

Why would the US shoot down a UAV? To frame Russia?

Of course!
America had been playing these sort of tricks with other countries for ages.
Do you know WHY Viet-Nam war started?

Russia says it was a well-organized provocation. Number of countries still have Russian MIGs, and USA is one of those countries.
Besides, it's not even clear from that video what kind of jet it was, it could be an F-18.

Russian video - RussiaToday : News : Georgia behind Abkhazia tensions: Putin

Are there any experts here who can tell what jet it is on the video?

MIG-29

F-18

New Governor Of Alaska · #9 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourne

Georgia-Russia Tension Escalates Over Downed Drone - New York Times

Note that Russia denied the claim and stated that none of their pilots were working that day. WTF!? Russia gave its air force the day off?

Bourne, I got news for you :azn: - Georgia fails to convince UN over drone row with Russia

The president of Georgia (and a former New York lawyer) mikhail saakashvili

24/ 04/ 2008

WASHINGTON/MOSCOW, April 24 (RIA Novosti) - Georgia failed to convince the UN Security Council in a closed-door session over Russia's alleged aggression towards Tbilisi following a row over the downing of a surveillance drone by a Russian fighter.

Sunday's downing of a Georgian surveillance drone is the latest dispute in the region, following Russian President Vladimir Putin's calls last week for closer ties with Georgia's two breakaway provinces, which has plunged relations between Moscow and Tbilisi to a new low.

The move provoked an angry response from Tbilisi with Georgia's foreign minister accusing Russia of attempting "to annex," Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which broke away from Georgia in 1991 following the collapse of the Soviet Union. Georgia is desperate to retain control over the two republics.

Georgia claims that a Russian MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter from the Gudauta military base in Abkhazia shot down the Georgian drone, reportedly an Israeli-made Hermes 450.

The U.S. expressed its concern over the downing of the Georgian drone and in a statement U.S. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said: "We reiterate our unwavering support for Georgian sovereignty and territorial integrity and are concerned by the presence of a MiG-29 aircraft in Georgian airspace."
In response, Russia's envoy to the UN Vitaly Churkin said the request was a "tall order," however, and added "I think that they themselves understand that this not something which is going to happen."

Ex-Soviet breakaway regions have stepped up their drive for self-rule since Kosovo's declaration of independence on February 17.

READ MORE - RIA Novosti - World - Georgia fails to convince UN over drone row with Russia-2

RussiaToday : News : Georgia behind Abkhazia tensions: Putin

YouTube - Georgia releases footage of 'Russian jet attack' - 21 Apr 08

Oregon Elephant · #10 (**permalink**) 04-24-2008, 06:11 PM

Abkhazia isn't recognized as an independent country, not even by Russia. It is, for all internation purposes, considered a part of Georgia, and so Georgia can fly in it. Russia, can't.

There are major differences between the Mig-29 and the F-18, like the angled vertical stabilizers (F-18), the raised cockpit (Mig-29) and the wide body (Mig-29). The plane that shot down the drone was no F-18.

dang, the pics didn't work.

Okay,

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