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Old 04-10-2008, 02:08 PM
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US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has asked for "embarrassing" travel restrictions on Nelson Mandela and South African leaders to be lifted.

A bill has been introduced in the US Congress to remove from databases any reference to South Africa's governing party and its leaders as terrorists.

The African National Congress (ANC) was designated as a terrorist organisation by South Africa's old apartheid regime.

At present a waiver is needed for any ANC leaders to enter the country.

"It is frankly a rather embarrassing matter that I still have to waive in my own counterparts - the foreign minister of South Africa, not to mention the great leader, Nelson Mandela," Ms Rice told lawmakers in Washington.

Last week, Howard Berman, chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, who introduced the bill said it was "shameful" that the United States still treated the ANC this way.

"Amazingly, Nelson Mandela still needs to get a special waiver to enter the United States based on his courageous leadership of the ANC. What an indignity. This legislation will wipe it away," he said.

South Africa's apartheid government banned the ANC in 1960, imprisoning or forcing into exile its leaders.

Mr Mandela, who turns 90 this year, was released in 1990 after spending 27 years in prison.

He then became the country's first post-apartheid-era president, before retiring after serving one term in office.

He appears to be in reasonable health, but now makes far fewer public appearances.
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The ANC and White Afrikanners were basically in armed conflict with atrocities committed on both sides. This includes police firing into a public ANC rally. The crucial point we need to remember is that both the white prime minister that was voted out of office and Mandela who was voted in formed a reconciliation movement, both admitting to those atrocities and committing themselves to national healing of old wounds.

It is a real stretch to call Mandela a terrorist in 2008. Whoever put him on that list needs to get fired.
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The ANC and White Afrikanners were basically in armed conflict with atrocities committed on both sides. This includes police firing into a public ANC rally. The crucial point we need to remember is that both the white prime minister that was voted out of office and Mandela who was voted in formed a reconciliation movement, both admitting to those atrocities and committing themselves to national healing of old wounds.

It is a real stretch to call Mandela a terrorist in 2008. Whoever put him on that list needs to get fired.
Absolutely. Sure the ANC were violent, but i think the only word for someone who wouldn't use violence in that situation is coward. They were controlled by what is possibly the most horrid regime since the Nazi's. It's time to ammend the list, no doubt. It's a rare occassion when i am able to agree with Ms. Rice, but this is definately one such occassion.
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Is it bad if I find this... funny?
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Try ridiculous. Next to Pope John Paul II, I think Nelson Mandela ranks up pretty high in esteem.
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Try ridiculous. Next to Pope John Paul II, I think Nelson Mandela ranks up pretty high in esteem.
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Absolutely. Sure the ANC were violent, but i think the only word for someone who wouldn't use violence in that situation is coward. They were controlled by what is possibly the most horrid regime since the Nazi's. It's time to ammend the list, no doubt. It's a rare occassion when i am able to agree with Ms. Rice, but this is definately one such occassion.
There's no way I'd say violence was wrong in that situation but I think one could've not used violence and been as brave as any who did. It takes a lot more bravery to stand firm while being attackd by the police than to attack back for example.
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They should keep Mbeki on the list. He's a shocker. He's matey with the dictator Mugabe and an ignorant pig when it comes to HIV-AIDS.
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