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Old 04-02-2008, 11:26 PM
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They have lost some good men, but if anything this all acts as a propaganda victory for them. The government come out looking like the thugs who cant be trusted, and we can only but speculate if the FARC would have followed through. Guven Chavez success in negotiations with them - they come out looking the better of the two parties.
Only for those who for some reason are already sympathetic to the FARC. The vast majority of the world, and more importantly, the vast majority of Colombians see the FARC for what they are.

Internationally Colombia's raid on the FARC in Ecuador is seen negatively (as it should be), I'm not sure how it plays domestically, I'm not there and it's hard to gauge. However, while the international community may be saying "that was a real jerk-*** move, Uribe," it doesn't mean they're all of a sudden going to be all friendly on the FARC. If she dies, nobody is going to be fooled into thinking that it's not the FARC's fault. If she is released, then it shows that the FARC can't hold it together.

It's a lose-lose situation for them, at the moment. It's sad that her health is the subject of this sort of political speculation.
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That cannot be denied. But they at least looked to rectify that. They made her a prisoner, but then they looked to free her and the government stepped in and effectively re-sentenced her by their actions.
Bullsht dude. You're starting with an agenda and trying to make it fit the facts. That doesn't work.
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:34 PM
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Only for those who for some reason are already sympathetic to the FARC. The vast majority of the world, and more importantly, the vast majority of Colombians see the FARC for what they are.
I dont think so, the right wing French government are hardly FARC sympathisers, but they are pretty mad at the Colombian government and that can only be good for the FARC.
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Internationally Colombia's raid on the FARC in Ecuador is seen negatively (as it should be), I'm not sure how it plays domestically, I'm not there and it's hard to gauge. However, while the international community may be saying "that was a real jerk-*** move, Uribe," it doesn't mean they're all of a sudden going to be all friendly on the FARC. If she dies, nobody is going to be fooled into thinking that it's not the FARC's fault. If she is released, then it shows that the FARC can't hold it together.
I think anyone who reads between the lines (beyond the capitalist media line) and comes into the situation with a balanced view and not an anti FARC one will blame the government more so. The FARC must take a proportion of blame, but it is a case of diminished responsibility - given they were looking to get her off their hands.
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Bullsht dude. You're starting with an agenda and trying to make it fit the facts. That doesn't work.

What part of my statement is BS ? I use the abbreviation due to the boards clamp down on profanity - which i have first hand experience of - i'm not having a go, just a friendly heads up
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:47 PM
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I dont think so, the right wing French government are hardly FARC sympathisers, but they are pretty mad at the Colombian government and that can only be good for the FARC.
I don't think it's a zero sum game like that.

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I think anyone who reads between the lines (beyond the capitalist media line) and comes into the situation with a balanced view and not an anti FARC one will blame the government more so. The FARC must take a proportion of blame, but it is a case of diminished responsibility - given they were looking to get her off their hands.
Well, I think that a balanced view is anti-FARC. However, a balanced view is not, in my opinion, pro Government, necessarily. Certainly not if your goal is a peaceful resolution.

In the end, if she dies, the responsibility lays in those who killed her. Colombian's aren't going to be fooled by any obfuscations in that department. If anything, it will strengthen the support for the government to take drastic measures against the FARC. It will also remove the FARCs biggest bargaining chip, and make them appear incapable.

Personally I hope that she doesn't die, that the FARC allow treatment, and that they have the sense to release her. I'm not hopeful on any of those counts, however.
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What part of my statement is BS ? I use the abbreviation due to the boards clamp down on profanity - which i have first hand experience of - i'm not having a go, just a friendly heads up
The part where you somehow try to make their kidnapping ok by saying "well they thought about maybe letting her go later." If that's the best thin the FARC can say for itself, it's a small wonder that their popularity is so low.




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