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Old 03-21-2008, 05:52 PM
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And how did that work for the country? I think (hope) that we've learned our lesson. I think that Obama shouldn't try to convince people that he has experience (if/when he goes against McCain), but that he should show that experience doesn't equal good, and that he'll have advisors that will help him.
Which is exactly what Bush did. You are making my point.
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Old 03-21-2008, 05:58 PM
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Which is exactly what Bush did. You are making my point.
What is your point, you said that by putting Richardson on the ticket, he'll eliminate any question of experience, but Bush showed that that doesn't mean anything.
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Old 03-21-2008, 06:02 PM
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What is your point, you said that by putting Richardson on the ticket, he'll eliminate any question of experience, but Bush showed that that doesn't mean anything.
No... You're missing it.

1. There will always be people who will vote for experience.
2. The argument could/should be made that experience is not always good.
3. To get the votes of those who still demand experience, you put someone with lots of experience on the ticket.

Bush didn't have extensive experience. He brought in Cheney. They won.
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Richardson doesn't have any more experience at the federal level than Obama does.

Richardon was a diplomat before becoming gov. Some experience.

He would make a fine running mate though.

And yes, plenty of people in Latin America know exactly who he is.
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No... You're missing it.

1. There will always be people who will vote for experience.
2. The argument could/should be made that experience is not always good.
3. To get the votes of those who still demand experience, you put someone with lots of experience on the ticket.

Bush didn't have extensive experience. He brought in Cheney. They won.
Yes, Bush did that and although, it worked, they failed miseribly. Point out that link and putting experience on the ticket as the number 2 spot doesn't look so good.

Not saying that he should find someone with no or little experience, but he can't claim other's experience for his own.
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Richardson doesn't have any more experience at the federal level than Obama does.

Richardon was a diplomat before becoming gov. Some experience.

He would make a fine running mate though.

And yes, plenty of people in Latin America know exactly who he is.
Richardson was US Representative from New Mexico, US Ambassador to the UN, Secretary of Energy, and Governor. That is significantly more experience than Obama and McCain on issues of foreign policy, energy policy, and executive experience.
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Old 03-21-2008, 06:07 PM
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Yes, Bush did that and although, it worked, they failed miseribly. Point out that link and putting experience on the ticket as the number 2 spot doesn't look so good.

Not saying that he should find someone with no or little experience, but he can't claim other's experience for his own.
He doesn't have to claim someone else's experience. He's merely indicating that the VP, his supposed top adviser, has significant experience. This will lessen the concerns of those who fear an inexperienced/unchecked president.
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No... You're missing it.

1. There will always be people who will vote for experience.
2. The argument could/should be made that experience is not always good.
3. To get the votes of those who still demand experience, you put someone with lots of experience on the ticket.

Bush didn't have extensive experience. He brought in Cheney. They won.
He did win, but it was razor thin the first time and actually he lost the popular vote. And the second election it wasn't that big of a margin that he won by.
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I haven't seen much mention of the fact that Richardson wanted to be president TOO. He DID run, after all. He just didn't have a national reputation, or at least not one which garnered him much publicity.

I'm guessing secretary of state here. That will give him the public exposure that will make everyone in the country know his name. And when the NEXT election cycle comes around...

It's pretty obvious that he waited until it looked like Obama would take the nomination, which shows me this is all in his own self-interest. If Clinton was ahead right now I have a feeling his endorsement would be a little different.
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Did you even read why Richardson endorsed Obama?
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