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Old 09-15-2008, 08:25 PM
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Fox News and the Associated Press have released an update on Iran's frenzied quest for nukes, and its continual stonewalling. An excerpt:

"The International Atomic Energy Agency said Monday that Iran is still failing to cooperate in their probe of Tehran's alleged nuclear arms program. (bold in original)

"Iran has effectively stonewalled U.N. nuclear inspectors attempting to resolve longstanding concerns about 'possible military dimensions' to Tehran's nuclear program, a new report by the nuclear watchdog's top inspector says.

"IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reiterated his agency's previous complaints about Iran's cooperativeness in his latest report to the IAEA Board of Governors, obtained Monday by FOX News.

"In unusually strong language, ElBaradei pointed to 'the doubts which naturally arise, in light of all the outstanding issues, about the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran's nculear program.'

"ElBaradei cited Iran's refusal since April to provide more information about a broad range of military activities which could either be geared toward the production of a nuclear warhead or which may simply reflect, as Tehran claims, the work of a normal conventional weapons program.

"The report also said that — through uranium enrichment — Tehran now has amassed a third of the amount of enriched uranium it could reprocess into the material serving as the fissile core of a nuclear weapon, should it choose to do so."

Here is the link: FOXNews.com - IAEA: Iran Still Failing to Cooperate in Nuke Investigation - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:11 PM
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It is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS if Iraq has nuclear weapons.
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It is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS if Iraq has nuclear weapons.
It is very much our business. And for a variety of reasons.

(1) If the mullahs in Tehran are the apocalyptic zealots I believe them to be, they would delight in a nuclear exchange with Israel, thereby killing millions. This would not be viewed as an acceptable "price" by the Iranian leadership, but as a truly splendid development, thereby ushering in the Eschaton.

(2) If I am mistaken in that analysis--and I deeply suspect that I am not--Mahmoud Ahamdinejad and his puppetmasters could attempt to close the Strait of Hormuz, through which one-fifth of the world's oil is shipped, thereby strangling the economies of the West; and an increasingly impotent US (and a totally neutered Europe) would be very disinclined to do anything about it, beyond the usual chatter about the possible issuance of further "sanctions."

(3) The fact that Israel, in the same neighborhood, already has nukes is no argument. Israel has never threatened to wipe Iran off the map, or encouraged others to try to imagine a world without Iran; the opposite, however, has occurred rather frequently. To claim that Israel's possession of nuclear weapons justifies Iran's pursuit of the same is tantamount to one's asserting that a convicted murderer should have the same right to own a handgun as any other American citizen.
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It is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS if Iraq has nuclear weapons.
Dude, the thread is about IRAN, not IRAQ. Maybe you should follow your own advice and read a book or two.

I wonder if Canada have nukes??
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Who considers the source (FOX news) as completely neutral?

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The International Atomic Energy Agency said Monday that Iran is still failing to cooperate in their probe of Tehran's alleged nuclear arms program.
Iran simply has the right not to allow those U.N. nuclear inspectors.

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The U.S. and its allies say Iran wants to develop its enrichment program for its weapons applications.
Yeah, the Americans are definitely looking for a reason that justifies a new invasion. (of course oil has "nothing" to do with it ..)
I hope they realize Iran is military much more stronger than Iraq and besides Russia is an ally of them.

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But Tehran insists it seeks the technology only to create nuclear fuel, and IAEA oversight and inspections of the Islamic Republic's known enrichment program has not come up with any indications that contradict what Tehran says.
That's obvious.
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Who considers the source (FOX news) as completely neutral?
Even if you distrust FNC--and I find its slight, rightward editorial slant less obvious than CNN's leftward slant; and much less obvious than MSNBC's in-your-face leftism--the fact remains that this was in part an AP article. At the bottom of the article are the words: "FOX News' James Rosen and The Associated Press contributed to this report."

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Iran simply has the right not to allow those U.N. nuclear inspectors.
If Iran wishes to disinvite the IAEA inspectors, thereby confirming its malevolent intentions, then it should do precisely that. But its continual gamesmanship, in (theoretically) cooperating with the inspectors, while doing everything possible to throw up roadblocks in their path, is duplicitous and, therefore, indefensible.

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Yeah, the Americans are definitely looking for a reason that justifies a new invasion.
I deeply wish that you were correct. Well, not about an "invasion," exactly--that implies boots on the ground--but I would certainly support an American air strike upon Iran's known and suspected nuclear facilities.

Sadly, however, the Bush Administration has made it abundantly clear, throughout President Bush's second term, that no such actions are likely to be forthcoming. The State Department--replete with Euro-pacifist sympathizers and assorted other accommodationists--has obviously won the day in the president's second term. The neoconservatives (among whom, I count myself) are now on the outside, looking in.
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I have absolutely no idea what to do about Iran. I'm mystified as to what they actually want.

The only thing I do know is that our foreign policy is so retarded, we will likely end up daring Iran into escalation with sabre-rattling and our usual Obey-Or-Die manner. We interfere in a region and culture we don't understnad, and then wonder why things turn out badly.
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If you people are stupid enough to give up your nation's sovereignty to that clusterf*ck called the United Nations - like the idiots who insist Iran must do by submitting to the IAEA, then you deserve to all collapse while a bunch of incompetent bureaucrats on the take run your lives.
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No but I may have to look into that organization. The John Birch Society

I reject the notion promoted by at least some Birchers, however, that the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. I also reject the racist leanings of some of its members (I believe in the concept of the melting pot and the colorblind society). The John Birch Society is much more in line with the Constitution Party than the Libertarian Party.
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