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Old 07-23-2008, 11:58 PM
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Your listed crimes didn't exist in the lexicon prior to the Nazis- they had to be invented in order to make ex-post-facto convictions.

If Iran has a death penalty for adultery and carries it out then it is not genocide- regardless of if gays are killed or not.
If Iran is hanging gay people for no other reason than that they are gay, that would be considered genocide.

Wow, great Nazi sympathizing. Clearly, since those crimes weren't named when the Nazis committed them, it was okay for them to do what they did!
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As much as I find this practice repulsive and barbaric, I am leery of criticizing the systems of other nations. Especially when we're not exactly beyond reproach, here.

It saddens me, but it is what it is. The practice is not new, and I can only assume these women (and men!) knew the risks.

Maybe that makes me coldhearted b*stard, but I have to stay consistent with my policy of non-interference. The whole world does not have to emulate America or our values. So, I'll have to say "just another way", unfortunate as it is.
This strikes me as an impeccably multiculturalist approach. But I have no multiculturalist tendencies, so I do not feel at all constrained about criticising such barbarity, and doing so in the strongest possible terms.

When citizens of other countries--indeed, other cultures--commit such atrocities as "honor" killings or the genital mutilation of women, and the governments of those countries look the other way; when foreign governments impose the death penalty upon those who proselytize for any religion other than Islam; or when they stone to death adulterers, it can only be described as shocking to all civilized people's sensibilities.

Is there anything we can do about it? No, of course not. Other sovereign nations may behave barbarically toward their own citizens if they wish, if those citizens fail to rise up and overthrow such tyranny. But that does not mean we should consider it tolerable behavior. In fact, I find it so outrageous that I would decline to establish (or continue, if already established) diplomatic relations with any country that behaved in such an outrageous manner--even if we coveted their oil, or some other hugely important commodity.
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200 lashes? ARGH Maties! Tie em' to stern and break out the ropes!
What if they loose count?
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:35 AM
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Well, at least they applied this to both men and women.

Iran is a sovereign nation: it can pass whatever laws it chooses.
8 women and 1 man - seems to me that there are some men walking. You know that a man can't be convicted or rape without 4 male witnesses testifying against him - swearing they had witnessed it.

It sucks to be female in some Islamic countries!
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That they do. Not to say there aren't a fair amount of people HERE who would happily advocate the same. (Oddly, they condemn each other as fanatical......)



Eww. Nice.

Well, um.....at least they don't have the prison overcrowding we do...

If a 12 year old girl holds hands with a boy, she has defiled the family and they have to kill her. Some freakin bizarre mindset!
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And I look at the title of this thread about people getting stoned to death and immediately thing about Cheech and Chong. I think it would be much more humane to just give them a room full of marijuana and allow them to stone themselves to death.

It is, after all, the culrure that gave birth to hashish - and the hashishim (assasin). A nice teacherly tidbit!
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This is simplky more evidence that Islam is a cancer on the world.
Well, the Hindus do have that nasty custom of sutteee - burning the widow when her husband dies. It's illegal but it still happens. Some pretty brutal bride deaths too, if the dowry is deemed too small.

Then there is female circumcision - usually done on a small child with no anesthesisa and rusty, unclean tools. That's tribal - not religious.

Looks like there is cancer enough to go around.
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And Christians have that nasty symbolic cannibalism thing...
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Y'know, perhaps Ahmad and all those uptight imams could probably use a good dose of doobage smoke. It's not good for a whole people to be clenched so tight 24/7.....
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The ratio is explained by the fact that the Koran places women in a role of sexual objects that men are given every excuse to exploit.
Got some examples?

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8 women and 1 man - seems to me that there are some men walking. You know that a man can't be convicted or rape without 4 male witnesses testifying against him - swearing they had witnessed it.

It sucks to be female in some Islamic countries!
The 4 witnesses applies to men and women. The act of penetration must be withnessed by the 4 witnesses or there is no case. There is also harsh punishment for false accusation. That said, I don't know how much Sharia is in Iranian law since they are Shia and have made a lot of stuff up themselves.

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If a 12 year old girl holds hands with a boy, she has defiled the family and they have to kill her. Some freakin bizarre mindset!
????? Put the bottle down, you're drunk again.
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Got some examples?

1. Menstruation is a sickness. Don't have sex with menstruating women. 2:222

2. Have sex with your women whenever and as often as you like. 2:223

3. Women have rights that are similar to men, but men are "a degree above them." 2:228

4. A woman is worth one-half a man. 2:282

5. Marry of the women two, or three, or four. 4:3

6. Males are to inherit twice that of females. 4:11

7. Lewd women are to be confined to their houses until death. 4:15

8. You may not forcibly inherit women, unless they flagrantly lewd. 4:19

9. Instructions for exchanging wives 4:20

10. "All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."
11. You can't have sex with married women, unless they are slaves obtained in war (with whom you may rape or do whatever you like). 4:24

12. Men are in charge of women, because Allah made men to be better than women. Refuse to have sex with women from whom you fear rebellion, and scourge them. 4:34

13. Don't pray if you are drunk, dirty, or have touched a woman lately. 4:43

14. Women are feeble and are unable to devise a plan. 4:98

15. They invoke in his (Allah's) stead only females. 4:117

16. "Unto the male is the equivalent share of two females." 4:176

17. When it's time to pray and you have just used the toilet or touched a woman, be sure to wash up. If you can't find any water, just rub some dirt on yourself. 5:6

18. Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 11:78

19. Lot offers his daughters to a mob of angel rapers. 15:71

20. You don't have to be modest around your wives or your slave girls "that your right hand possess." 23:6

21. A husband can accuse his wife of adultery with only one witness. 24:6

22. Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 24:31

23. Women must cover themselves when in public. 33:59

24. Those who "did wrong" will go to hell, and their wives will go to hell with them (no matter how they behaved). 37:22-23

25. But the single-minded slaves of Allah will enjoy a Garden filled with lovely-eyed virgins. 37:40-48

26. Female companions await those who enter the Gardens of Eden on the Day of Reckoning. 38:52

27. Allah will reward those in the Garden with beautiful wives with wide, lovely eyes. 52:20

28. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels. 53:27

29. Allah will reward believing men with "fair ones" (beautiful women) in heaven. 55:71-72

30. Those in the Garden will be attended by immortal youths with wide, lovely eyes. 56:17-23

31. Allah made virgins to be lovers and friends to those on his right hand. 56:36-37

32. Your wives and children are your enemies. They are to you only a temptation. 64:14-15

33. You don't have to be chaste around your wives or your slave girls. 70:29-30
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