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Old 07-18-2008, 10:31 AM
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I'd like to say i am shocked, but i'm not in the slightest. If this is how the US treats citizens of its friends just imagine how they treat those from enemy states.
I hate to tell you but if he is a Canadian in Afghanistan, he has no protection under the GC. He is by definition an 'illegal' combatant. Furthermore, if he was lobbing grenades and killed one of ours, I would try him, and upon a guilty verdict dispatch his soul to his maker the next day. Go ahead and cheer for those who decapitate women in the soccar stadiums if you must. This 'child' is a trained killer and should be treated as such.

I have a rope available should the government not have the stomach to provide justice.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:32 AM
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And they have quietly released ove 60 prisoners. And that means they were innocent of charges or they had no proof or compelling case against them. Since the whole rationale of having GITMO was to have a special prison for the worst of the worst terrorists, GITMO is failing to fulfill its designed mission. If you release over 60 people that have been imprisoned without charges and held for extended periods of time, then were tortured and received harsh treatment, you are most likely creating 60 new insurgents along with their extended families. In short, Guantanamo is creating what it was designed to address.

It is a major world wide issue effecting America's general reputation. We need to close it down and take positive steps to regain a decent reputation in the world again.
No one should ever be held unless they can be charged and tried.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:34 AM
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Bloody hell, repeat after me: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!
Again, according to the Geneva Conventions, if he is a foreigner engaged in hostilities (on neither side of the belligerents) he is considered an illegal combatant, and therefore has no right to even a trial. Read the documents.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:47 AM
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so why dont you just take them out back and shot them
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:56 AM
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so why dont you just take them out back and shot them
Well, I'm not so sure about the need to take them out back but since they choose to engage in combat against our military they should be treated as enemy combatants.
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:00 AM
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can only fully agree, but them means they have rights, rights as humans allways has.

insted of treating them like the germans gestapo treated people
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:03 AM
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No one should ever be held unless they can be charged and tried.
So, what you're saying is that the military shouldn't take prisoners in times of war?
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:32 AM
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A one war is over, 2 if there is still war, they would be keept in a prisoner of war camp, not a prison
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So, what you're saying is that the military shouldn't take prisoners in times of war?
No. However, there is no 'war.' There was a belligerent action (meaning combat) and in said situation there are rules (GC) governing such activities. We are supposed to follow said rules.

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A one war is over, 2 if there is still war, they would be keept in a prisoner of war camp, not a prison
War was never declared in Afghanistan nor was it required (unlike Iraq).
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No. However, there is no 'war.' There was a belligerent action (meaning combat) and in said situation there are rules (GC) governing such activities. We are supposed to follow said rules.
There is a war, regardless of what you call it.



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War was never declared in Afghanistan nor was it required (unlike Iraq).
The United States hasn't actually declared war since World War II and we've been to war how many times now?
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"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

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"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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