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Old 07-15-2008, 04:43 PM
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Yeah, when you deside to throwing hand grenades at people, you lose to ability to claim, "I was just a kid who didn't know what he was doing."
There's no proof that he did anything wrong, just like there's no proof of torture.
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His father was a member of Al-Queda, I bet it doesnt say that in the article. Im sure the rest of his family was a bunch of nutjobs too. Like father, like son.
IO would love to think this was a joke but unfortunately it looks like you're just being an idiot.

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He's also not really a kid. He was 16 when he was captured, which is pretty close to adult, and now hes 21. Considering his actions, its hard to call him a kid.
His alleged actions.

Bloody hell, repeat after me: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!
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Old 07-15-2008, 04:47 PM
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What a surprise you all take the US assumption that he did something wrong. if he did then let due process work. Dont lock up a 15 year old boy for over 5 years without any proof but a confession taken under duress.

They should do as Amnesty International ask and try him in a court of justice, not an unfair kangaroo military court.
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Old 07-15-2008, 06:16 PM
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Clearly the kid had a wee bit too much beer, and not enough backbacon to soak it up.
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This entire flap stems from the treatment of prisoners. The solution here is very obvious: stop taking prisoners. Simply shoot them.
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The boy allegedly tried to murder people, whatever happened to freedom of speech?
You have got to be ****ting me. Trying to murder someone is freedom of speech?

Here is something to consider. His lawyers requested that all of his interrogation tapes be released and the best they could come up with is the guy lifting his shirt and showing "bruises" which I could not see. And then him crying. They did not even yell at him. Sleep deprivation is allowed under the Geneva Convention as well, so this is pretty much a non issue.

Why is it that people to not get fired up about what the opposition does? Oh wait they are not the US that's right..... I do not condone torture. But honestly people, sleep deprivation being classified as torture? Give me a break.

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Really, sleep deprivation is now qualified as torture? I'd disagree, otherwise, I'm calling in all my drunk friends when they call me every 3 hours because they're drunk.

So there is no evidence of any torture presented in this article or in this video.
Sleep deprivation combined with nakedness, dog leashes, forced to do dog tricks, cold temperatures, food and water deprivation, stress positions over a course of days is torture. These are the tortures our country is using, learned from our enemies in other wars. This treatment of prisoners, denied habeas corpus, denied all rights, is what America has stood against since inception.

This is disgusting that Americans are posting as if this is all OK.

You right wingers accuse us of being unpatriotic for being against the Iraq war? Well I'm sorry to tell you but being for torturing a youth like this thread is about, is unAmerican. You torture lovers sicken me.
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Old 07-15-2008, 11:41 PM
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Sleep deprivation combined with nakedness, dog leashes, forced to do dog tricks, cold temperatures, food and water deprivation, stress positions over a course of days is torture. These are the tortures our country is using, learned from our enemies in other wars. This treatment of prisoners, denied habeas corpus, denied all rights, is what America has stood against since inception.

This is disgusting that Americans are posting as if this is all OK.

You right wingers accuse us of being unpatriotic for being against the Iraq war? Well I'm sorry to tell you but being for torturing a youth like this thread is about, is unAmerican. You torture lovers sicken me.
What rights? They are enemy combatant's the only rights that they have are outlined in the Geneva Convention. If someone is old enough to kill they are old enough to be treated in a matter fitting their crime.
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Though I condemn this sort of thing in any but the very most drastic cases, I would like to point out that, on the subject of Habeas Corpus, the President does have the constitutional right to suspend Habeas Corpus in a portion of the United States in what amounts to the interests of national security. I don't agree with Bush's use of that right, but he does have it.
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Sleep deprivation combined with nakedness, dog leashes, forced to do dog tricks, cold temperatures, food and water deprivation, stress positions over a course of days is torture. These are the tortures our country is using, learned from our enemies in other wars. This treatment of prisoners, denied habeas corpus, denied all rights, is what America has stood against since inception.

This is disgusting that Americans are posting as if this is all OK.

You right wingers accuse us of being unpatriotic for being against the Iraq war? Well I'm sorry to tell you but being for torturing a youth like this thread is about, is unAmerican. You torture lovers sicken me.
Actually, sleedp deprivation, nakedness, coldness, stress positions, and food deprivation (to some degrees) is not torture, it is just not being nice. By the way, none of that is in the video and as to the wounds on his back, he says they came from when he was in Afghanistan, not from getmo.

Torture lovers? If you think that every unnice thing that happens in war to a prisoner is torture, than you can volunteer to pay the bill to make sure that they all get their own personal air conditioning and heater, so the temp is never uncomfortible, and you can pay for a five star resturant to make sure that they all have taste food so that they never go hungry, and that they have a plasma tv with a wii so that they are never too bored.
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