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Old 07-18-2008, 10:06 AM
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What they said to her after the assault does not constitute them being thugs,
I think you've got it backwards. What they said to her was said before the alleged "assault."

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what happened to provoke her assault was an act committed by thugs but there is no proof that the teenager she assaulted was one of the thugs.
Nor is there proof that this particular teenager wasn't one of the thugs. As for the notion that she "assaulted" the little brat, maybe if the adults in your country committed more of these "assaults" on you children you wouldn't be so damned disrespectful toward authority, toward memorials, etc.
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Old 07-18-2008, 10:34 AM
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so here in denmark we must have huge problems with kids, or maybe we are just very viliont people here
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I see no problem at all here, a woman got angry and attacked a person abotu whom she knw nothing, certainly there was no evidence of a crime having been committed by that boy. So she has rightly been convicted and should think about her actions more carefully. A real problem British society has, along with some youth violence and anti-social behaviour, is the demonisation and criminalisation of any teenager, especially boys by the media and this is represented in the actions of local governments and local people. Most teenagers behave respectfully and well but stories like this disregard that and just take the easy road of attacking the teenagers and assuming this woman is right because her father was a WW2 pilot.
HI THERE LEVIATHON,
I read your post with interest & felt obliged to reply.
As many national newspapers around the world have covered this story, there seems to be a particular journal local to myself, that got the facts wrong. Some of the sites have picked up & commented on that original news report, of which they had to print a hasty retraction in the next days issue.
To set the record straight, i am the very person the article is about---Julie Lake.
It was not an un-known youth, it was a youth who had been seen with a gang over a period of two years causing problems to our war memorial. We & many many others have phoned the police for two years but never get there quick enough to catch them red handed.
Our village was being held to ransom (to coin a phase) by a gang of about 30 youths who have no regard for anyone or anything else. The war memorial has been systematically vandalised for 8 to 10 years without one single arrest for criminal damage. (The rest of the kids in this village are great).
The story first broke the national newspapers before i was actually arrested.
To protect themselves from civil law suits, the media always have to use words such as "Believed" or "thought". Our community now believes that it could be this style of reporting that gave the youth in question the excuse to claim mistaken identity, (Or blame his mate)
After the four day trial, in the judges full summery, he stated that from the evidence he had heard from all witnessess over four days, he was in no doubt that it was NOT mistaken identity & the youth caught in the act of criminal damage to the war memorial when he was caught red handed, was indeed, the youth i had always maintained.
I was found guilty however due to the way i behaved towards him & his mates.
It was also the reason the judge threw out all claims for compensation from the youths & did not award a penny to them.
Due to the judges summing up, he opened a can of worms by stating this as he left it wide open for anyone to now call for that youths arrest for criminal damage to the war memorial. This is already under way.
I hope you don't think i am having a go at you in particular, it is just some-thing we keep having to spell out due to errors in that one particular rag.
They have admited their mistake & apologised to me in writing, however, those who do not read all of the sites on this subject can be forgiven for taking as read what they read firstly.
I hope this clears things up anyway,
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:09 PM
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[quote=Illyria;134118]Oh COME ON!!!!

She should be charged with assault. I am sick of people thinking they are above consequence.

If I saw and was sure someone was vandalizing a memorial, I would give them a good pop.

And if i was arrested I would plee guilty and face my judgment. It is part of the decision. If you decide to break the law face the consequence.

Don't wine about justification. You made the choice, face it.[/QUOTE

Hi there, i have just posted a reply to Leviathon that should be on the last page for you to look at.
I have replied to your post as i do agree with you. However, even before i was arrested, the story had made the national papers here. The media having to be carefull to use words such as "Believe" or "Thought" is to protect themselves from civil law suits.
As the story was in the papers with these words before i was actually arrested, it appears this gave the well known vandal the chance to claim "Mistaken Identity".
I was offered a caution by the police which i refused. If i had accepted it, i would have been admitting that i had grabbed the wrong one. I knew this was never the case, as well as other witnessess that the police did not bother to contact.
After the four day trial, although i was found guilty, i was elated at the judges summing up as he stated that from all the evidence he had heard over the four days from all the witnesses, he was in no doubt, that the youth caught in the act of criminal damage to the war memorial, was indeed the youth i had always maintained.
This is the whole reason it went to a trial. For eight months the police & family of the youth claimed mistaken identity. Whatever the verdict, we were all elated that the youths best mates ratted on him & told the truth in court & i was completely cleared of the allegation of grabbing an innocent teenager.
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That's just more cost to the tax payers. A police walking through in plain clothing would not likely help much, since the kids would likely not do anything if anyone was present, even if that person seemed like a citizen (like a plain clothed officer would).



So everytime a crime goes unpunished, it is because the police refuse to do anything? I disagree, this occured because the police had no suspects, and no evidence against anyone. Unless you don't mind the police attacking on word of mouth alone with no evidence, there was nothing that they could do which was within their power.
Hi there, hope your well,
I have just left two posts on this site to clear up for few things.
I wanted to answer to yours as well. The lad i was claimed to have punched in the stomach actually came forward to police five whole weeks after the day of the incident. Luckily, the judge was no fool & saw threw him, there-fore, quite rightly, i was found not guilty on that one.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:27 PM
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A well-deserved kick in the backside or swat across the backside with a belt is not "violence" but it often is a good means of correcting inappropriate behavior. I think if you take a closer look at Western societies from when they stopped spanking their kids you'll find these kids are more disrespectful of their parents (and adults in general), more prone to disobey and more likely to reject authority.

But what do you Brits do? You protect these animals and arrest the only adult trying to actually do something about it! In your sick society it's obviously true that these kids can do whatever they want and no one can touch them.

No wonder crime is on the rise in Britain! (Youth crime convictions and cautions rise | Crimestoppers UK; BBC NEWS | UK | Violent crime figures rise by 12%)
Well said CHAN, i like you!! What part of the states are you from?
As you do know that England has always been the 51st state of America don't you? Although it has to be said that your time keeping in the last war was a little tardy! Whats the weather like out there? it's peeing with rain every day here.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:42 PM
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Well said CHAN, i like you!! What part of the states are you from?
As you do know that England has always been the 51st state of America don't you? Although it has to be said that your time keeping in the last war was a little tardy! Whats the weather like out there? it's peeing with rain every day here.
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I live in Buffalo, NY - the place that invented the grain elevator, windshield wipers, air conditioners, chicken wings, and the electric chair among other things. The weather is a bit cloudy and the temperature is a mild 79 degrees Farenheit. As I type this I'm being amused by the histrionics of Lois Gibbs on the radio trying to keep Love Canal fresh in everyone's minds.

If you stick around you'll find that I'm an equal opportunity offender and that my posts are very much reminiscent of Archie Bunker.

Leviathon during his time here was a nice kid but, sadly, very naive in his views. Someday, though, he'll grow up and realize that teenagers should be seen and not heard.
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I live in Buffalo, NY - the place that invented the grain elevator, windshield wipers, air conditioners, chicken wings, and the electric chair among other things. The weather is a bit cloudy and the temperature is a mild 79 degrees Farenheit. As I type this I'm being amused by the histrionics of Lois Gibbs on the radio trying to keep Love Canal fresh in everyone's minds.

If you stick around you'll find that I'm an equal opportunity offender and that my posts are very much reminiscent of Archie Bunker.

Leviathon during his time here was a nice kid but, sadly, very naive in his views. Someday, though, he'll grow up and realize that teenagers should be seen and not heard.
Thanks Chan,
now, the electric chair, my favourite!! & chicken wings.
Just a quick snippet for your forum. The outrage of the parents that anyone brought up with decency to have the audacity to challenge their offsprings vile behaviour yeah???
Where were these parents in court??? No-where to be seen.
On day one of the trial, 8 youths turned up to give evidence & bar one lad, not a single parent in sight. They must really care!! I don't think.
Please excuse my utter ignorance, i take a big interest in U.S. politics but "What is a congressman". Does that mean you can run for the whitehouse as i believe you should. You seem the only one on this forum who seems to tell it as it is, & not be afraid to do so.
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Oh, i see now. Doe's that mean i can call myself a british member of parliment??
Not that i'd want to---they are all a disgrace to this country.
Margeret Thatcher---- Oh, those were the days!!!
Still raining in England. What's "Georgia" like?? I am going there for my hols.
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