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Old 07-03-2008, 08:51 PM
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The most senior judge in England yesterday gave his blessing to the use of sharia law to resolve disputes among Muslims.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips said that Islamic legal principles could be employed to deal with family and marital arguments and to regulate finance.

He declared: ‘Those entering into a contractual agreement can agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law.’

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Every time some damning story comes out about how the once “Great” Britain has sunk further into the abyss of tyranny and despotism, I ask myself, “What is it going to take for these people to wake up?” Then something even more startling pops up.

This is unreal. What in the hell are those people doing over there? How much more evidence do they need that their country has been pulled out from under them by the enemy within? I love the UK. I’ve visited there and I almost went to college in London with the intention of even possibly remaining there afterwards. In hindsight I thank God those plans never worked out. I fear if I went back now I wouldn't recognize it anymore.
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Well, if both parties sign into the agreement, doesn't that agreement become legal for them?
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Old 07-03-2008, 09:21 PM
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Why shouldn't Muslims be allowed the same rights as jews are? Either complain about both being allowed to do this or none.
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What? Are Jews in Britain allowed to settle matters via the Torah instead of by public law? If so, I oppose it. And Sharia law.
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The rapid descent of the UK into a society governed by (or at least congenial to) sharia law is indeed shocking--but hardly surprising. On this point, I would highly recommend the 2006 book America Alone by the tell-it-like-it-is Canadian writer (now living in New Hampshire) Mark Steyn. His thesis, in short, is that all of Europe--not just the continental part, but the UK also--is irretrievably lost, from a Western standpoint; radical Islam is the certain beneficiary. And the US, which is left to stand alone against this onslaught, is likely to last only a bit longer; but will find it very hard to resist indefinitely.
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Having spent two and a half of the last three years in Europe, I'd say that in my experience it is far from 'irretrievably lost'.

On the issue of Sharia law, Joe certainly has a good point, but only if it's a contract between two people who agree to its terms. Otherwise, British Common Law should always be the final word.

This is disappointing but I get the feeling it will be overturned before too long. As soon as a father lights his daughter on fire or a husband murders his wife because it's 'Sharia law', this will be right out the window.
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You need to read the whole article to get what Phillips LCJ was on about. He wasn't suggesting that Sharia be above British secular law. Heck the Church of England has its own legal system but I suppose since it's the state religion of the UK that makes it okay.

Anyway, Sri Lanka has had different laws on marraige and other social customs for its various religious groups since just about independence.
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Every time some damning story comes out about how the once “Great” Britain has sunk further into the abyss of tyranny and despotism, I ask myself, “What is it going to take for these people to wake up?” Then something even more startling pops up.

This is unreal. What in the hell are those people doing over there? How much more evidence do they need that their country has been pulled out from under them by the enemy within? I love the UK. I’ve visited there and I almost went to college in London with the intention of even possibly remaining there afterwards. In hindsight I thank God those plans never worked out. I fear if I went back now I wouldn't recognize it anymore.
Ok, this really is no big deal. The lord chief Justice is saying that where both parties agree things like marriage disputes and especially things involving families can be sorted out using aspects of Sharia law. But, English law remains chief, if any party disagrees to the use of Sharia law it will not be used, there will be no Sharia courts, English law must be respected in any decision made using sharia law. Where is the problem? I had planned on posting the story and holding it up asw a success of common-sense and, yes I'll say it, liberty of choice.
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What? Are Jews in Britain allowed to settle matters via the Torah instead of by public law? If so, I oppose it. And Sharia law.
Yes. In civil matters if both parties agree they can take it to jewish courts. I believe this is only giving the same right to muslims.

The crucial point is that both parties must agree. I see no problem with this what so ever.
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What? Are Jews in Britain allowed to settle matters via the Torah instead of by public law? If so, I oppose it. And Sharia law.
No, and neither will muslims. It will only be as an addition to English law that if both parties agree, for some civil matters they can use sharia law/jewish law as long as this does not conflict English law. The main point is that these issues, civil disputes and the like, will be resolved by a sharia scholar, as the resolution has impacts on social status and such. There is no good argument against it.
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