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Old 07-02-2008, 01:02 AM
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We could start off with a minimum criterion: being able to graduate high school and pass certain classes. If you can't graduate high school, easy as it is, you don't belong voting.
when I was 17 years old my father left the state. I had to work to pay the bills had no car and my school was 15 miles away.

I did not graduate. But later got my GED.

Sorry Everyone gets a vote even the stupid people like me. as much as even I agree it sucks.

But the moment you give power to government to limit voting, they will find a way to twist it.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:54 AM
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I doubt it. The party have to elect the President. Fidel was elected, Raul was elected. They will have to vote and there will have to be a winner. What happens after that though is anyones guess.
Raul was appointed by the National Assembly. There was no election.
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"Fidel Castro's nearly five decades of rule ended Sunday when Cuba's National Assembly chose his younger brother Raul to be the country's new president."
Fidel Castro's daughter, who lives in Florida, sums it up quite easily:
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"I think that the government will remain mostly the same, but I think they are going to bring on different faces that they need,"
Raul was not "grandfathered" in to replace Fidel...he was "younger brothered" in.

Raul Castro chosen as Cuba's new president - CNN.com
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:05 AM
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Raul was appointed by the National Assembly. There was no election.



Fidel Castro's daughter, who lives in Florida, sums it up quite easily:


Raul was not "grandfathered" in to replace Fidel...he was "younger brothered" in.

Raul Castro chosen as Cuba's new president - CNN.com
He was elected by the National Assembly which is made up of party members. There is no contradiction in that and what i said.
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He was elected by the National Assembly which is made up of party members. There is no contradiction in that and what i said.
Elected?? Not much of an election since the National Assembly selected Raul to be Fidel's successor. Do you really believe that the National Assembly are representative of the Cuban people?
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Fidel Castro's brother elected Cuban president - Telegraph
There is a big difference between being "elected" and being "selected". Raul was "selected".
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when I was 17 years old my father left the state. I had to work to pay the bills had no car and my school was 15 miles away.

I did not graduate. But later got my GED.

Sorry Everyone gets a vote even the stupid people like me. as much as even I agree it sucks.
Well, a GED would probably fall under an equivalent standard. It doesn't necessarily matter if you graduate the standard way if you can find a suitable alternative equivalent.

I doubt you're stupid. Either way, your intelligent enough to meet the minimum threshold. Now, someone who doesn't bother to do that wouldn't. This would only really get rid of the worst of the worst. Hardly ideal.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:12 AM
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Jester? I feel bad being responsible for another rumbling, but that has got to be AD, right?
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Jester? I feel bad being responsible for another rumbling, but that has got to be AD, right?
Interesting theory. I would like to see it looked into. ;)

That aside, I have to agree. A one party system that "elects" a President via the legislature does not have a particularly profound democracy.


(You might counter that our own presidential selection system leaves something to be desired in the realm of democracy, and I would say you're damn right it does!)
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:25 PM
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Interesting theory. I would like to see it looked into. ;)

That aside, I have to agree. A one party system that "elects" a President via the legislature does not have a particularly profound democracy.


(You might counter that our own presidential selection system leaves something to be desired in the realm of democracy, and I would say you're damn right it does!)
You know i wouldn't claim it was democratic. However it is unfair to say that the party leader is not chosen by party members.

As for the AD theory, i could be wrong, but i had a hunch when he was on Dustin's other place.
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Jester? I feel bad being responsible for another rumbling, but that has got to be AD, right?
What's AD?

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You know i wouldn't claim it was democratic. However it is unfair to say that the party leader is not chosen by party members.
As unfair as it may seem, it is not an election that represents the peoples wishes. Raul was selected by party members in order to keep the communist structure alive. Unfortunately, it is the people of Cuba that are being duped into believing that the selection process is fair.

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As for the AD theory, i could be wrong, but i had a hunch when he was on Dustin's other place.
I don't follow your AD theory. Did I miss something?
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:10 PM
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Interesting theory. I would like to see it looked into. ;)

That aside, I have to agree. A one party system that "elects" a President via the legislature does not have a particularly profound democracy.


(You might counter that our own presidential selection system leaves something to be desired in the realm of democracy, and I would say you're damn right it does!)
I agree with you. It is NOT a democratic process. It is communist and the people have no real voice.

And our own system is not as democratic as one may think it is.
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