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Old 06-25-2008, 05:29 PM
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Too true, words like "chav" are used to demonise the working class and youths in particular and papers like the Daily Mail pander to and create reactionary emotions.


The exact same thing happens here albeit with different slang terms. This in my opinion is an attempt to wash their hands often of situations they helped create, to say otherwise an attempt to "otherise" the lower classes so that they have a scapegoat for societies problems. Also a great note you took was that they went to lenghts to mention the fact the man was an ex-soldier. I.e a protector of the system.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:41 PM
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But he was charged with assault. The police would not have charged if they had no evidence. The reason charges were dropped is becaus public opinion probably would have seen that "the yob" lose the case.
He was originally charged with kidnapping. Then when they realized that that would hold no water they tried to nail him with assault so that they could justify having arrested him in the first place.

I don't care whether you feel more sympathy for the kids, or dislike this guy because he's ex-military, he's in the right.
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Old 06-25-2008, 05:45 PM
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He was originally charged with kidnapping. Then when they realized that that would hold no water they tried to nail him with assault so that they could justify having arrested him in the first place.

I don't care whether you feel more sympathy for the kids, or dislike this guy because he's ex-military, he's in the right.
He was charged with kidnap as he took a minor off the street into his home against his will. That is not a citizens arrest that is false imprisonment and technically kidnap. He is only within his rights to have boy immobolised until the police arrive. He brought the boy against his will and restrained(presumably) behind closed doors, where evidence seems to suggets that he performed some form or other of assault upon the boy. A the beginning the man excercised his rights, by the end he had broken it....
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He was charged with kidnap as he took a minor off the street into his home against his will. That is not a citizens arrest that is false imprisonment and technically kidnap. He is only within his rights to have boy immobolised until the police arrive. He brought the boy against his will and restrained(presumably) behind closed doors, where evidence seems to suggets that he performed some form or other of assault upon the boy. A the beginning the man excercised his rights, by the end he had broken it....
What evidence? That's a complete and utter fabrication on your part.
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What evidence? That's a complete and utter fabrication on your part.

The police charged him with assault, so there was obviously some evidence of assault in this case. Therefore it is not a complete and utter fabrcation.
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The police charged him with assault, so there was obviously some evidence of assault in this case. Therefore it is not a complete and utter fabrcation.
Dude. Read my posts so that I don't have to repeat myself.

They charged him with assault after they knew that they could not nail him for kidnapping. Cops do this plenty. They feel like they have to justify the arrest, so they want to get him for something even if their case is bullsht.

If there was evidence of assault, why did they drop the charges?
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Oh, and whence comes this newfound faith in the police force?

Somehow if they were arresting an immigrant for robbery instead of an ex-soldier for roughing up a young vandal you wouldn't be singing the same tune.
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Dude. Read my posts so that I don't have to repeat myself.

They charged him with assault after they knew that they could not nail him for kidnapping. Cops do this plenty. They feel like they have to justify the arrest, so they want to get him for something even if their case is bullsht.

If there was evidence of assault, why did they drop the charges?
Read mine so that I dont have to repeat myself.


You clearly accept the story as it stands.

I am particulary because of the source and of course the fact that legal action was pursued choosing to question the story. We in Europe are not backford the police wont just press charges for the sake of it, they was clearly evidence that this man broke the law, for one he falsely imprisoned a minor.

They dropped the charges as they maybe felt that because of the image that is given out on a continual basis of these kids from council estates the jury were more than likely to symphatise with the man, and the fact he was an ex-soldier didnt harm his case either.

The boy was throwing eggs for Gods sake. The man had no right to force a minor against his will into his household.
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Oh, and whence comes this newfound faith in the police force?

Somehow if they were arresting an immigrant for robbery instead of an ex-soldier for roughing up a young vandal you wouldn't be singing the same tune.

I have no trust or distrust of the police force. There are certainly rogue elements within them. But to your point if the police were to show bias in this case it certainly would not be towards the "vandal" and against the ex-soldier.

Actually I would have a problem with anyone roughing up anyone as that is no ones responsibility but the states. If by your logic people were allowed to rough each other up then vigilantism would prevail. Where would that get us?
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I have no trust or distrust of the police force. There are certainly rogue elements within them. But to your point if the police were to show bias in this case it certainly would not be towards the "vandal" and against the ex-soldier.

Actually I would have a problem with anyone roughing up anyone as that is no ones responsibility but the states. If by your logic people were allowed to rough each other up then vigilantism would prevail. Where would that get us?
I didn't say he roughed him up. I said that that is what he was arrested for.
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