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Old 06-25-2008, 11:31 PM
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Yeah, escalating tensions between enemies who are never going to directly attack each other anyway means **** all.
Sorry, who won't attack who here ? US-Iran, US-Cuba ?
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:51 PM
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Sorry, who won't attack who here ? US-Iran, US-Cuba ?
In what context? My response was to the US attempting to assassinate Castro because he was already an enemy and so was the Soviet Union, but the SU was never going to engage in open warfare with the US, so that is why the US could go attempting their assassination attempts.

Now currently, the US could not get away with kidnapping Ahmadinejad because there is no longer just an East-West Schism but cracks within the Western countries. Not only that but America is already engaged in two other wars which are a drain on its finances but engaging in a war with Iran would also piss off China as Iran is a major exporter of Oil to China.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:57 PM
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In what context? My response was to the US attempting to assassinate Castro because he was already an enemy and so was the Soviet Union, but the SU was never going to engage in open warfare with the US, so that is why the US could go attempting their assassination attempts.

Now currently, the US could not get away with kidnapping Ahmadinejad because there is no longer just an East-West Schism but cracks within the Western countries. Not only that but America is already engaged in two other wars which are a drain on its finances but engaging in a war with Iran would also piss off China as Iran is a major exporter of Oil to China.
And Ahmadinejad is not considered an enemy ? And lets be honest, Iran is never going to engage in open warfare with the US, only if attacked they would fight back.

But i actually don't see what difference it makes if they will engage in open warfare or not. Hitler was engaged in open warfare but it didn't stop assasination attempts on him. And why exactly couldn't they get away with it ? Who is going to stop them ?
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:48 AM
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And Ahmadinejad is not considered an enemy ? And lets be honest, Iran is never going to engage in open warfare with the US, only if attacked they would fight back.
They are engaging in Warfare with the US, albeit, indirectly as they provide funds and weaponry into the militias and terrorists who are fighting American soldiers in Iraq, but that is off-topic.

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But i actually don't see what difference it makes if they will engage in open warfare or not. Hitler was engaged in open warfare but it didn't stop assasination attempts on him. And why exactly couldn't they get away with it ? Who is going to stop them ?
The reason why America is unlikely to pull off a stupid stunt like assassinating Ahmadinejad is because Americas main support base in the EU is cracking and Iran has Russia and China backing it. China would not even have to attack America to destroy it as all it has to do is stop exporting to America, or raise its prices, to completely and utterly wreck the American economy. Not to mention the fact that it already has two other wars that it is fighting plus problems at home, all of which cost money. America does not have the finances to attack Iran and fight in another war.
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This might already have been answered somewhere sometime ago, but if Ahmadinejad is assassinated (or dies by any means, natural or not), what does that do with Iran? Who takes his spot? And what kind of personality does that person have?
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This might already have been answered somewhere sometime ago, but if Ahmadinejad is assassinated (or dies by any means, natural or not), what does that do with Iran? Who takes his spot? And what kind of personality does that person have?
Good questions, of which i can provide no definitive answers for, but i would imagine it would trigger new Presedential elections.
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:59 AM
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The reason why America is unlikely to pull off a stupid stunt like assassinating Ahmadinejad is because Americas main support base in the EU is cracking and Iran has Russia and China backing it. China would not even have to attack America to destroy it as all it has to do is stop exporting to America, or raise its prices, to completely and utterly wreck the American economy. Not to mention the fact that it already has two other wars that it is fighting plus problems at home, all of which cost money. America does not have the finances to attack Iran and fight in another war.
But since when has America cared about what anyone else thinks ? And the chances of China doing that for Iran must be slim as it would cause China harm too to destroy its largest trading partner.
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In your mind only. You don't get to see evidence about Al Qaeda for the reasons i mentioned earlier, but you still choose to believe them. And if anyone lacks credibility it's certainly the US government.
Nope, in my mind too, I'm with Bourne on this one, Iran made the claim, they are the ones who need to provide proof for it.

No proof, no credibility. I will say that it is possible, but I doubt it, and due to lack of evidence I don't believe it.

Show me evidence and I may very well change my mind.

There is also plenty of evidence for the existence of Al Qaeda.
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:39 AM
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Good questions, of which i can provide no definitive answers for, but i would imagine it would trigger new Presedential elections.
Which would be good, Iran is becoming more liberal and new elections would mean a more liberal government (hopefully) the ruling party had to cheat during the last elections in order to remain in power.
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Ahmadinejad facing an assassination plot? Hah! The fact that he's suggesting that "U.S. and it's allies" are behind it should send everyone's B.S. meter into overdrive.
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