So having a sky high crime rate is acceptable when your economy is doing well? Sweet priorities right there. And what is Chavez talking about? Stopping the imperialist advance? And people call me paranoid....

Finished as an effective leader - gimme some of what you're smoking. An ineffective leader who has overseen 18 successive quarters of growth, who has recently increased public sector wages above inflation, who has introduced the highest minimum wage of all of latin america. If you want to talk about plumetting popularity come back in November when the PSUV have won the regional elections - which they will do in resounding fashion.

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

Well you know that is inaccurate. I have shown you this recently, murder rates are high, no one is saying that is acceptable but it is a completely seperate unrelated issue.. What you have obviously ignored is how far ahead Venezuela is ahead of countries like the US in tackling other serious crimes like rape.


Are you for real ??? Do you not remember a certain coup in 2002 ? The labelling Venezuela as a terrorist state (possibly the most ironic claim the empire has ever made) ? Have you not seen the empire building in the middle east ? The 50 year struggle to dominate Cuba ? Are you unaware of the imperialist history of the continent - do you anything of what happened in Chile, Guatemala and Grenada ?

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

The high crime rate is admittantly a problem, However you must remember that this is a result of the poverty that existed pre-Chavez and is something that is being steadily reduced. Chavez is not a magician he cant make miracles happen, but what he can do and what we've seen is steady progress and recovery from the history of exploutation of Venezuala.

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"We will disobey your laws as long as they are unjust and they make a world shaped only for your profit"-G8 protestor Genoa 2001





NO PASERÁN!!

"We learned a long time ago that we should never subject ourselves to the schedules of the powerful. We had to follow our own calendar and impose it on those above.” - Subcommandante Marcos

The high crime rate is admittantly a problem, However you must remember that this is a result of the poverty that existed pre-Chavez and is something that is being steadily reduced. Chavez is not a magician he cant make miracles happen, but what he can do and what we've seen is steady progress and recovery from the history of exploutation of Venezuala.

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"We will disobey your laws as long as they are unjust and they make a world shaped only for your profit"-G8 protestor Genoa 2001





NO PASERÁN!!

"We learned a long time ago that we should never subject ourselves to the schedules of the powerful. We had to follow our own calendar and impose it on those above.” - Subcommandante Marcos

Ok. Whaty is frustrating about you unequivocaly Chavez supporters is the unwillingness to accept legitimate criticism.

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"Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
-Joseph Welch

Where do we not accept legitimate criticism ? Did myself and Bosco not both accept that crime/murder rates were not good ? Is that not accepting legitimate criticism ?

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

How about some stats that show that under Chavez the crime rate has been "steadily reduced."

Let me help you out Bosco...

Crime Brings Venezuelans Into Streets - washingtonpost.com

Indeed, crime has steadily increased under Chavez, especially homicides.

It's the steady brushing off of any criticism. High crime? Well, it's just murder, so that's not so bad!

Slowing economy? Inflation? It's ok, it's still growing!

The world isn't black and white, there's no reason to be apologists for a government.

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"Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
-Joseph Welch

The causes of crime are being reduced, but that is a long term process. Tackling poverty, ignorance and desperation means getting at people when they are young and installing values, this is difficult to do when one has already been socialised. What you will see in the future is minimal crime rates once the future generations, the children of Chavez become the adults of the future.
Murder is only one crime. Lets see how favourably Venezuela compares to the US with regards to other serious crimes.

Comparative Criminology | South America - Venezuela

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?