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Old 06-24-2008, 10:36 AM
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Israel wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants a cease fire and to still do whatever it wants whenever it wants. If it truly was interested in a cease fire, it would cease killing Palestinians. Neither side is right in this. And as I said before, neither side truly wants peace.
So, you're saying it's okay for Palestinians to plan terrorist attacks against Israel and Israel is supposed to not do anything? What about Hamas' shooting attack against three Israeli hikers? Are you saying they're perfectly justified in doing that?
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:37 AM
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So, you're saying it's okay for Palestinians to plan terrorist attacks against Israel and Israel is supposed to not do anything? What about Hamas' shooting attack against three Israeli hikers? Are you saying they're perfectly justified in doing that?
Having trouble reading? Shall I quote myself? "Neither side is right in this. And as I said before, neither side truly wants peace."
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:41 AM
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Having trouble reading? Shall I quote myself? "Neither side is right in this. And as I said before, neither side truly wants peace."
But the rest of your post makes it clear that you're really placing all the blame on Israel. You said, "Israel wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants a cease fire and to still do whatever it wants whenever it wants. If it truly was interested in a cease fire, it would cease killing Palestinians." So, what you're really saying here is that Israel is supposed to do nothing while Palestinian terrorists (Islamic Jihad) plans terrorist attacks against Israel. Israel is supposed to do nothing while Hamas (the duly elected Palestinian "government") shoots hikers.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:43 AM
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But the rest of your post makes it clear that you're really placing all the blame on Israel. You said, "Israel wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants a cease fire and to still do whatever it wants whenever it wants. If it truly was interested in a cease fire, it would cease killing Palestinians." So, what you're really saying here is that Israel is supposed to do nothing while Palestinian terrorists (Islamic Jihad) plans terrorist attacks against Israel. Israel is supposed to do nothing while Hamas (the duly elected Palestinian "government") shoots hikers.
I never said that. Thanks, but I will take responsibility for what I mean. You can take responsibility for what you mean. I will quote what I said again. Maybe eventually you will read it: "Neither side is right in this. And as I said before, neither side truly wants peace."
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Islamic Jihad =! Hamas.

Ceasefire not broken.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:50 AM
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I never said that. Thanks, but I will take responsibility for what I mean. You can take responsibility for what you mean. I will quote what I said again. Maybe eventually you will read it: "Neither side is right in this. And as I said before, neither side truly wants peace."
You said what I quoted you as saying. Go back to your earlier post. Yes, you also added "Neither side is right in this" but that's really an attempt to downplay the Palestinians' violation of the cease fire agreement, to downplay Hamas' attack on Israeli civilians (hikers) and to downplay Islamic Jihad's planning a terrorist attack on Israel.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:51 AM
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Islamic Jihad =! Hamas.

Ceasefire not broken.
Islamic Jihad is a party to the cease fire agreement. So, yes, the cease fire was broken. Further, since Hamas is the duly elected Palestinian government, it is responsible for what occurs within its territory and, so, has an obligation to keep Islamic Jihad under control.
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Islamic Jihad is a party to the cease fire agreement. So, yes, the cease fire was broken. Further, since Hamas is the duly elected Palestinian government, it is responsible for what occurs within its territory and, so, has an obligation to keep Islamic Jihad under control.
Sorry, I missed where IJ is party to the ceasefire. I don't remember reading that anywhere.

At any rate, it is unreasonable to expect Hamas to maintain control over everyone in Gaza, especially given the fact that Israel does everything in its power to hamstring their ability to govern.
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You said what I quoted you as saying. Go back to your earlier post. Yes, you also added "Neither side is right in this" but that's really an attempt to downplay the Palestinians' violation of the cease fire agreement, to downplay Hamas' attack on Israeli civilians (hikers) and to downplay Islamic Jihad's planning a terrorist attack on Israel.
Thank you for telling me what I 'meant'. Funny, that is not what I thought I meant. But you must be right, since you know me better than I do.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:01 PM
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Sorry, I missed where IJ is party to the ceasefire. I don't remember reading that anywhere.

At any rate, it is unreasonable to expect Hamas to maintain control over everyone in Gaza, especially given the fact that Israel does everything in its power to hamstring their ability to govern.
Yes, you missed it.

"Islamic Jihad is party to the truce between Israel and Palestinian militants that took hold in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, but that arrangement does not apply to the West Bank." SOURCE

But note that it was Islamic Jihad IN THE GAZA STRIP that fired missiles into Israel in retaliation for Israel doing its job and dealing with an Islamic Jihadist in the West Bank that was planning a terrorist attack on Israel.
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