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Old 06-15-2008, 07:08 AM
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Fvck the EU. It will never be glorious all you have to do is look at the US and see your future.
The EU could be a fantastic thing, it could recognise workers rights across borders, it could recognise true internation co-operation outside of economic interests and it could be an international defender of human rights (which I suppose it is in some extent now). Unfortunately it represents beaurocracy and capitalism and international co-operation only within the limiting boundaries of economic interests. A United Europe could rectify this situation.
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Old 06-16-2008, 01:54 AM
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The EU could be a fantastic thing, it could recognise workers rights across borders, it could recognise true internation co-operation outside of economic interests and it could be an international defender of human rights (which I suppose it is in some extent now). Unfortunately it represents beaurocracy and capitalism and international co-operation only within the limiting boundaries of economic interests. A United Europe could rectify this situation.

You see it as a means to Socialism. I see it as a means of taking power from Nations and their Citizens and giving the power to a few (Oligarchy)..

These Unions are being proposed all over the world. From Africa to North America and the whole point is to have a few control the masses. Instead of the masses controlling the few.

If you wanna live in something like the USSR keep thinking its a good idea.

You have no idea what's in store for you.
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You see it as a means to Socialism. I see it as a means of taking power from Nations and their Citizens and giving the power to a few (Oligarchy)..

These Unions are being proposed all over the world. From Africa to North America and the whole point is to have a few control the masses. Instead of the masses controlling the few.

If you wanna live in something like the USSR keep thinking its a good idea.

You have no idea what's in store for you.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:31 PM
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Fvck the EU. It will never be glorious all you have to do is look at the US and see your future.
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Ha typical Neo-Con attitude.

Oh and Declan Ganley nor Libertas are the voice of the people, seeing as there being funded lets say American interest groups. They are not spaking their own mind merely their masters.

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Sinn Fein had it right and will always be the voice of Ireland and its interests

I disagree mate...
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Ha typical Neo-Con attitude.

Oh and Declan Ganley nor Libertas are the voice of the people, seeing as there being funded lets say American interest groups. They are not spaking their own mind merely their masters.
Yeah, I heard they were funded in part by the American military, is that accurate at all?
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Yeah, I heard they were funded in part by the American military, is that accurate at all?
I heard that too.
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:47 PM
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Just one of their American sponsers
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Sinn Fein is not the voice of Ireland, they lost that right in 1998. They sold out to the Crown.
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Old 06-20-2008, 06:29 PM
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Ha typical Neo-Con attitude.

Oh and Declan Ganley nor Libertas are the voice of the people, seeing as there being funded lets say American interest groups. They are not spaking their own mind merely their masters.
My attitude is not Neo-Con. You should know that. A Neo-Con would love the idea of a United Europe.

All I said was Declan Ganley had it right. Not that he's the voice of Ireland for everything, just on this issue. And you can tell this by the result of the election. Libertas was the biggest anti-Lisbon treaty org and had a bigger out reach compared to the leftist groups.

He is allegedly tied American interest groups. The folks who brought up it were the same ones who wanted you to vote for the Treaty. So think about it.. could it possibly be slander.

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Yeah, I heard they were funded in part by the American military, is that accurate at all?
No, He's not funded by the US Military, He sells a product to the US Military.

People need to remember. If Declan Ganley was about making money and didn't give a sh!te. He would have been for the EU and its EU Military force. As he could sell his companies products to the EU.

What he did was say no to money. Imagine that.
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