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It would be delusional for Chavez to attack the US, he is not an idiot and he wouldn't do it, he likes Americans - they are his comrades too. Any chance of a war with US and Venezuela would be purely defensive from Venezuelas point of view. I doubt there will be any war, i have faith that the American people would not allow it.
I guess his motivation of beefing up his military is in order to fuel his visions of grandeur?

Sounds like he is playing more of a game of "chicken" with our government.
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I guess his motivation of beefing up his military is in order to fuel his visions of grandeur?

Sounds like he is playing more of a game of "chicken" with our government.
I'm not saying I support Chavez's move, because I don't, but the reason is quiet obvious: American imperialism.
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So Chavez being arrested is a sign of the government helping the poor?
Chavez arrested ?

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What about the massive amount of murders that take place their each year?
Are you seriously blaming the government for murders ? Not even the biggest Bush critics would try and blame him for crime in the US. All the government can do is tackle the causes of crime, like poverty andhave strong detterents, beyond that they are helpless.

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As for Venezuela being a "social democracy" why is that every "elected" official has solid ties with Chavez?
That is just simply not true. Venezuela has many elected opponents of the government, as mayors, in the assembly and at a local level.


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I do not think that Venezuela is a bad country because my government says so. I am smart enough to do my own research and form my own opinions. Putin is trying to start the Cold War again. You all talk about how blind we Americans are but you cannot seem to realize that not every Communist/Socialist is some freedom fighter.
I really wonder where you get your information from since it is so obviously full mistruths, half truths and outright falsehoods.
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What shady country ? Venezuela is no shady country, it is a social democracy that has invaded no countries, it doesn't fly people around the world to be tortured, it overthrows no other leaders, it helps the poor at home and abroad (including in your own country). If that is what makes a shady country then the world by all accounts needs more shady countries.

Venezuela is no Saudi Arabia, it is no Israel, it is no Colombia.
Venezuela is allied with countries that support repression and terrorism and will therefore be judged by its actions and relationships.
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I'm not saying I support Chavez's move, because I don't, but the reason is quiet obvious: American imperialism.
How has the US in any way interfered in Venezuelan society, politics or government?

When has the US even lightly inferred that it had any intention of interfering with Venezuela?

Proof with links from credible sources please.
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Sorry. But you just have NO IDEA what you are talking about.


Oh yes I do. Venezuela can buy all the Russian junk it wants but, as I've said, it's like handing rifles to chimps. The Venezuelan military is a joke.

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However, you might do know that what you are saying is nonsense but you say it just because you are mad of the fact that there is nothing American Empire can do to intervene in Russo-Venezuelan relationship.
Why would we mant to? Let Venezuela throw its money away on third rate Russian junk.

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But WHATEVER you say will not save the American Empire from collapse.
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Absolute typical socialist nonsense.
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How has the US in any way interfered in Venezuelan society, politics or government?

When has the US even lightly inferred that it had any intention of interfering with Venezuela?

Proof with links from credible sources please.
It helped the coup against Chavez, funding the plotters. Watch "The War on Democracy" by John Pilger, it's on google videos. If you don't watch all of it start at about 30 minutes. I know Pilger is a biased source but his facts are facts and he provides documents for evidence and the words of an American (CNN I think) reporter who was told of the conspiracy before it ever happened.
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How has the US in any way interfered in Venezuelan society, politics or government?

When has the US even lightly inferred that it had any intention of interfering with Venezuela?

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It helped the coup against Chavez, funding the plotters. Watch "The War on Democracy" by John Pilger, it's on google videos. If you don't watch all of it start at about 30 minutes. I know Pilger is a biased source but his facts are facts and he provides documents for evidence and the words of an American (CNN I think) reporter who was told of the conspiracy before it ever happened.
The obvious bias in Pilger's video aside, based on one incident Chavez is so paranoid that he wastes mony on military equipment under the guise of a threat from the US when there obviously is no threat. The man is nuts.
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The obvious bias in Pilger's video aside, based on one incident Chavez is so paranoid that he wastes mony on military equipment under the guise of a threat from the US when there obviously is no threat. The man is nuts.
What? An American funded and backed coup is certainly reason to be fearful of the empire, so is America's history of violent interference within Latin America.
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