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Old 05-02-2008, 09:34 PM
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There is nothing about "HIS BIZARRE BEHAVIOR" in your quotes.
Then you have no concept of what constitutes bizarre behavior. Why am I not surprised about that.
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Then you have no concept of what constitutes bizarre behavior. Why am I not surprised about that.
There is no bizarre behavior. You just copied and pasted Joe's post.
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Maybe not bizarre behaviour, but they are bizarre things to say.
So you are wrong, Bourne.

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I wouldn't go that far, he won only by around 100,000 votes and that at a time when Labour are at a generational low with public opinion. The sad thing is the last mayor actually actually opposed most of his parties policies. He was against the Iraq war, against privatisation, a friend of Hugo Chavez, a critic of Israel and vocal supporter of Palestinian liberation, all things i woul;d have thought you agreed with. He was simply found guilty by association, because of the party he is a member of.
I heard that previous London mayor was attacked by the Jews for no reason what so ever.
Is it true?....
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Old 05-02-2008, 10:06 PM
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I heard that previous London mayor was attacked by the Jews for no reason what so ever.
Is it true?....
Well not all jews, but certainly the zionist jews did. He was victim of the usual, criticise anything Israel does, or support a Palestinian liberation and be brandished anti semitic.

This happens on the basis of him saying honest things like this

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Sharon continues to organise terror. More than three times as many Palestinians as Israelis have been killed in the present conflict. There are more than 7,000 Palestinians in Israel's jails.

To obscure these truths, those around Israel's present government have resorted to demonisation. Initial targets were Palestinians, and have now become Muslims. Take the Middle East Media Research Institute, run by a former colonel in Israeli military intelligence, which poses as a source of objective information but in reality selectively translates material from Arabic and presents Muslims and Arabs in the worst possible light.

Today the Israeli government is helping to promote a wholly distorted picture of racism and religious discrimination in Europe, implying that the most serious upsurge of hatred and discrimination is against Jews.

All racist and anti-semitic attacks must be stamped out. However, the reality is that the great bulk of racist attacks in Europe today are on black people, Asians and Muslims - and they are the primary targets of the extreme right. For 20 years Israeli governments have attempted to portray anyone who forcefully criticises the policies of Israel as anti-semitic. The truth is the opposite: the same universal human values that recognise the Holocaust as the greatest racist crime of the 20th century require condemnation of the policies of successive Israeli governments - not on the absurd grounds that they are Nazi or equivalent to the Holocaust, but because ethnic cleansing, discrimination and terror are immoral.
Ken Livingstone: This is about Israel, not anti-semitism | Politics | The Guardian
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I see no reason why not. It would all depend on the powers that be in the party. Would they be willing to put a well known socialist up for a seat, particularly one who can't be trusted to follow the party line. He would almost certainly vote against the privatisation policies and often criticises the leadership. I doubt Brown and the cabinet would be keen on the idea. The rank n file though would certainly love to see him in the parliamentary party.
Okay, so he gives Real Labour some ideology that's sadly lacking. He gives it some spine, also missing in action lately. What's not to like?
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I heard that previous London mayor was attacked by the Jews for no reason what so ever.
Is it true?....
Then you heard wrong. Allow me to enlighten you:

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Livingstone suspended over 'Nazi' jibe

Ken Livingstone was today suspended from office for four weeks by a disciplinary tribunal for likening a Jewish newspaper reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.

The three-man Adjudication Panel for England said the mayor of London should step down from his duties on March 1.

They ruled that his outburst last February had breached the Greater London authority code and damaged the reputation of his office.

His treatment of Oliver Finegold, a reporter for the London Evening Standard, was "unnecessarily insensitive and offensive", the panel said.

Mr Livingstone had asked the reporter if he was a German war criminal and then, after learning that he was Jewish and had been offended by the question, compared him to a concentration camp guard.

The panel rejected Mr Livingstone's argument that there was a difference between the damage he might have caused to his own reputation and the effect of his actions on his office.

In deciding on a suspension, the panel rejected the alternative sanctions of a censure or an order for Mr Livingstone to undergo training.

The panel's chairman, David Laverick, said it would not have been appropriate to have disqualified Mr Livingstone from office.

"The case tribunal is, however, concerned that the mayor does seem to have failed from the outset of this case to have appreciated that his conduct was unacceptable, a breach of the code and did damage to the reputation of his office," he said.

"His representative was quite right in saying that matters should not have got as far as this, but it is the mayor who must take responsibility for that.

"It was his comments that started the matter and thereafter his position seems to have become ever more entrenched.

"The case tribunal considers that the appropriate sanction is for the mayor to be suspended for a period of four weeks from March 1."

Mr Livingstone is entitled to appeal against the ruling by making an application to the high court.

He will make his last public appearance before his suspension on LBC's People's Question Time, to be broadcast next Wednesday evening.

Commenting on the ruling, the London Evening Standard editor, Veronica Wadley, renewed calls for the mayor to apologise for his remarks.

"There is no question that he caused offence to many Londoners by his comments, and his stubborn refusal to say sorry aggravated the position," she said.

"Mr Livingstone not only offended London's Jewish community but then he did not show the stature expected of the mayor of London by apologising. As the Standards Board found, our reporter questioned Mr Livingstone in a 'civil tone'.

"This paper has not always seen eye to eye with Mr Livingstone but we supported him in his re-election to be mayor and, in particular, applauded his work in helping to unite London after 7/7. We believe, though, that it is only right that the adjudication panel has now decided that Mr Livingstone acted in a manner that was ill-fitting for the mayor of this great city. Mr Livingstone should now apologise to those he offended."

The complaint against Mr Livingstone was brought by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.

Livingstone suspended over 'Nazi' jibe | Media | MediaGuardian
And here is what Livingstone actually said:

Ken Livingstone was recorded asking reporter Oliver Finegold if he is a
"German war criminal".
Mr Finegold replies: "No, I'm Jewish, I wasn't a German war criminal. I'm quite offended by that."

The mayor then says: "Ah right, well you might be, but actually you are just like a concentration camp guard, you are just doing it because you are paid to, aren't you?"
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I remember that. It was bad form. Sometimes if you can't come back with a witty one-liner you should just shut up.
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I remember that. It was bad form. Sometimes if you can't come back with a witty one-liner you should just shut up.
Worse of all, he refused point blank to apologise.
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Sounds like he needs to work on his speaking skills and improve skills. Of course it might be too late now.
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I think Londoners appreciated his frankness, but this was an episode he could have done without. Still, Boris is in now, I must admit it will be good if the bastard doesn't privatise the Tower of London, I don't expect much out of him, the Tory prick.
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Old 05-03-2008, 07:13 AM
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Livingstone's comments are hardly comparable to Johnson's catalogue of racist insults. There was no need for Ken to apologise, the guy was being an a hole and he got called on it. Jewish people are as capable of acting like a nazi as anyone. Just because you're Jewish shouldn't mean you are free from criticism. If he had said it to a communist or gypsy or homosexual no one would have cared.
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