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Old 04-30-2008, 01:53 PM
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Thank you for the quote. The Israeli did come into through a popular vote (popular vote through the world, those that would classify it a fraudulent popular vote). Since a resistance, by your definition, is not aggressive (total BS, IMO), that would mean that those attacking Israel are not a resistance, since they are being the aggressors. The "resistance" is no longer defending something. They are attacking and trying to take away. Almost none of those who are fighting against Israel actually lived in that land prior to Israel, therefore they are trying to take something that never belonged to them.
They are a resistance because they were attacked (the Stern Gang, then IDF), cleansed, imprisoned etc first. The resistance is a response to this. Only when the zionists override all these things can Palestinian violence be classed as anything but defensive and resistance.
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They are a resistance because they were attacked (the Stern Gang, then IDF), cleansed, imprisoned etc first. The resistance is a response to this. Only when the zionists override all these things can Palestinian violence be classed as anything but defensive and resistance.
Then they should have been fighting the Stern Gang while it was still around (died out in 1951). And as seeing as how the Stern Gang often fought and assassinated jews and members of the Israeli government, it should be viewed as the enemy, not Israel. Who was "cleansed" by the IDF? The IDF defends Israel and although like an army can make a mistake, they haven't gone around "cleansing" people. By "cleansing" I'm assumeing that you are refering to mass muder of one type of people.
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Old 04-30-2008, 02:37 PM
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Then they should have been fighting the Stern Gang while it was still around (died out in 1951). And as seeing as how the Stern Gang often fought and assassinated jews and members of the Israeli government, it should be viewed as the enemy, not Israel. Who was "cleansed" by the IDF? The IDF defends Israel and although like an army can make a mistake, they haven't gone around "cleansing" people. By "cleansing" I'm assumeing that you are refering to mass muder of one type of people.
Not mass murder, but the forceful removal of palestinians from their land. And it's worth mentioning that the stern gang would go on to become part of the IDF.
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Not mass murder, but the forceful removal of palestinians from their land. And it's worth mentioning that the stern gang would go on to become part of the IDF.
Many members of the Stern Gang did become part of the IDF, like a few hundred members that were incorporated into tens of thousands of IDF soldiers. But that was still almost 60 years ago, all those that were once apart of the Stern Gang, are all likely over 80 years old and are no longer in the military or even alive.
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So lets forget all that history....
1.Israel was given the land, it wasn't stolen.
your correct and I cannot refute the point that Israel was given the land. however the land was given to Israel by colonial powers who did not own the land but had a hegemony therefore it was given to Israel illegely, So the land is stolen but Israel itself did not tae it. However this does not justify in anyway shape of form the theft of this land.


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2.The Arabs were given an equal opportunity to have a state, thats fact.
They turned it down...thats a fact. They did not accept what was given them.
The Arabs were promised a state pre WW1 however the British did not deliver upon this promise rather they carved up the middle-east between themselves and France and continued the colonisation of the region and their hegemony as well as exploitation. Furthermore with the Balfour declaration of 1917 they encouraged and supported the zionist movement in their quest to "reclaim" Israel. This coupled with the broken promises of the British(as if that was anything new!!) made the arabs distrustful of the British.
Your wrong they did not accept the terms of the state offered, not that they refused the independant state. When Israel was declared in 1947 the zionist armies forced y means of terror 750,000 Palestinians out of their homes and never allowed them to return.



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3.They tried by force to take what was not given to them...true?
They lost....

On all 3 counts...the Palestinians have no current, nor any prior claim to the land.
They tried by force to take and hold onto what was theres. When the UN first partitioned Palestine they gave the Israelis(Who were 30% of the overall population of the region) and were awarded 56% of the overall region.

Why should colonial powers "give" land to states and take land where the people own them.

As to Palestinians having no prior claim

1878
Population:
Jewish 3%
Arab 96.5%

1922
Jewish 11%
Arab87.6%

1931
Jewish 16.9%
Arab 81.6 %

1948
Jewish 33%
Arab 66%

and there goes that point
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Disn't about the same time the charters change on the Ottoman Empire and formed Turkey etc..
But what is fact is a world body made adjustments and that is the facts. Just one side didn't agree with this change as they did with the others.
Heck one might call it racism..
But seeing the laws during the period don't seem important I will just stay out of the discussion as I believe in the laws of then and today.
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Disn't about the same time the charters change on the Ottoman Empire and formed Turkey etc..
But what is fact is a world body made adjustments and that is the facts. Just one side didn't agree with this change as they did with the others.
Heck one might call it racism..
But a world body had no right to make these changes especially if you look at the demographics and the amoun to of land awarded. Plus the fact that after the formation of the state the zionists still crossed the green line and colonised the palestinian land THAT IS UNREFUTABLE!

Please elaborate on your racism point?
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Please elaborate on your racism point?
Zionists never do, they just like to call everyone who disagrees with them racist, even though if anything the zionist state is a racist state.
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Zionists never do, they just like to call everyone who disagrees with them racist, even though if anything the zionist state is a racist state.
Can we move forward...
I think if it were you and I, we could form a peaceful solution!! My question is, why cant anyone else?
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:35 AM
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Can we move forward...
I think if it were you and I, we could form a peaceful solution!! My question is, why cant anyone else?
Yes i know man, i just get particularly annoyed when i see calls of racism everytime someone opposes Israel or Israeli policy. It's quite sickening.
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