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Old 04-29-2008, 09:01 PM
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You have nothing to back up your wild claims. What makes Chavez a communist and anti American ? Do you actually have any idea what it means to be either ?
Come on man. Are you going to ask me to prove that the sky is blue?
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Hugo Chavez is not against American people but against the US corporations and government.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:36 PM
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Corporations are owned by American people. The American government is representative of the American people.
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Chavez is both. Clinton is about 1/2 way there.

Communism works great- for a while- if you have a steady supply of easy wealth to fuel it, which in this case, is oil. I, however, would rather have the freedom and long term stability that capitalism provides. Let's leave communism to the Cubans, Chinese and Venezuleans and capitaism to the US of A. How does that sound?
Chinese aren't communist... neither are Venezuelans...
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Old 04-30-2008, 04:55 PM
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Corporations are owned by American people. The American government is representative of the American people.
Hmm and these corporations "own" natural resources in 3rd world countries and openly exploit theindigneous peoples. So Venezuala nationalise these resources to put the money back into their economy but this is not okay?
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:16 PM
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Hmm and these corporations "own" natural resources in 3rd world countries and openly exploit theindigneous peoples. So Venezuala nationalise these resources to put the money back into their economy but this is not okay?
These corporations locate the resources in the ground, purchase them from the local government or private citizens, design equipment and recovery methods, extract them, ship them, refine them, transport them, then sell them to the retail market. Along the way the "indigenous peoples” have jobs, governments in the source country, the consumer country and the countries along the shipping routes all collect taxes and fees, and the corporation is lucky to make 10% profit.

Once a government takes over the industry R&D essentially stops because there is no longer an incentive to make a profit. Research, development, and efficiency all suffer, so any potential savings of that corporate profit disappears then goes negative very quickly. Add in some corruption, inherent in many governments but rampant in socialist/ communist ones, and you end up with a lot less of that resource finding its way to market and thus more poor people all along the way.
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These corporations locate the resources in the ground, purchase them from the local government or private citizens, design equipment and recovery methods, extract them, ship them, refine them, transport them, then sell them to the retail market. Along the way the "indigenous peoples” have jobs, governments in the source country, the consumer country and the countries along the shipping routes all collect taxes and fees, and the corporation is lucky to make 10% profit.

Once a government takes over the industry R&D essentially stops because there is no longer an incentive to make a profit. Research, development, and efficiency all suffer, so any potential savings of that corporate profit disappears then goes negative very quickly. Add in some corruption, inherent in many governments but rampant in socialist/ communist ones, and you end up with a lot less of that resource finding its way to market and thus more poor people all along the way.
The corporations also screw the people over like mad, but that's not worth mentioning.
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Corporations are owned by American people. The American government is representative of the American people.
Point number one is that the Bush administration is the worst case in point about the federal government being prostituted out to CORPORATIONS. In no way shape or form do Bush and Cheney really represent the American people. THEY HAVE BETRAYED THEM!!! 70% against their direction and they are saying "stay the course." They means stay the profits for their employers.

I have an America First agenda, and all of the Bushies have just wasted billions of dollars trying to build bridges and schools in Iraq when our own bridges are collapsing and we can't build schools fast enough.
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Point number one is that the Bush administration is the worst case in point about the federal government being prostituted out to CORPORATIONS. In no way shape or form do Bush and Cheney really represent the American people. THEY HAVE BETRAYED THEM!!! 70% against their direction and they are saying "stay the course." They means stay the profits for their employers.

I have an America First agenda, and all of the Bushies have just wasted billions of dollars trying to build bridges and schools in Iraq when our own bridges are collapsing and we can't build schools fast enough.
Pardon, but this sounds more like a rant than a well thought out response.
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