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Old 04-15-2008, 11:08 PM
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Default Hundreds of Thousands Attend Pro Chavez Rally

Hundreds of thousands turned up to remember the day when people power defeated the empire and capitalism. When the people forced the stepdown of the illegal unconstitutional government and return of the democratic Chavez government. The masses are with the President now, as ever. The only mistake Chavez made was to let the criminals go free, he was too gentle and could have pursued them with the full force of the law.

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CARACAS.— Just like that historic April 13 of 2002, from early in the morning, residents of the neighborhoods El Valle, 23 de Enero, Catia, Pinto Salinas, Petare and elsewhere in this capital and other states assembled around Miraflores Palace to express their support for the Bolivarian process and for President Hugo Chávez, on the occasion of the Day of the Recovery of National Dignity.

While the start of the mobilization marking the sixth anniversary of that popular victory was set for 10 a.m. the people began gathering much earlier, and by midday, hundreds of thousands of people filled the streets surrounding the palace.

After arriving at the rally at about 4 p.m., Chávez and the crowd sang the national anthem with strong emotion, and immediately afterward the president stated, "Venezuela is free and will never again be anyone’s colony."

Frequently interrupted by chants of "Uh, ah, Chávez no se va" (Chávez isn’t going anywhere), "No return" and "The people united will never be defeated," the leader of the Bolivarian revolution recalled the difficult days of the coup, and highlighted the role of the people and loyal military forces in reestablishing the country’s constitutional rule.

However, the attacks against Venezuela’s process did not end in April 2002, as Chávez noted. Pressures of all types have continued, such as the oil company strike of more than 60 days, a revolt by coup-plotting military officers in Plaza Altamira, and diverse attempts by the oligarchy, all of which have been defeated.

In that sense, Chávez revealed an unpublished letter from Fidel Castro dated May 4, 2003, in which the Cuban leader assessed the difficult tests to which the Venezuelan revolution had been subjected, and what it meant for the continent. The letter said, "Venezuela’s fall would inexorably bring down with it the hopes of the peoples of Latin America. I would dare say that if Venezuela loses, the United States would take over the rest of the hemisphere," an opinion that Chávez described as a warning bell that is more than ever valid.
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If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

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Old 04-16-2008, 11:11 AM
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Hundreds of thousands turned up to remember the day when people power defeated the empire and capitalism. When the people forced the stepdown of the illegal unconstitutional government and return of the democratic Chavez government. The masses are with the President now, as ever. The only mistake Chavez made was to let the criminals go free, he was too gentle and could have pursued them with the full force of the law.

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Have things gotten better in Venezuela for the average person under Chavez?
Is he just nationalizing everything for the good of himself, or is it going to mean a better life for the people?
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:17 AM
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Have things gotten better in Venezuela for the average person under Chavez?
Is he just nationalizing everything for the good of himself, or is it going to mean a better life for the people?
It undoubtedly has improved, very much so. Lets first consider the hellish position he inherited: a worse recession than much of Africa had experienced.

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From 1970-1998 per capita income in Venezuela fell by 35 percent.[2] This is the worst economic decline in the region and one of the worst in the world -- much worse even than what happened to Africa during this period.
A Note on Venezuelas Economic Performance | venezuelanalysis.com

It has now experienced 15 consecutive quarters of economic growth. The proceeds of this growth have been pumped into social programmes, health, education, housing etc.

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In Venezuela, since 2003 a series of programs have been established to provide health care for the poor, subsidized food, as well as increased access to education. For example, an estimated 14.5 million people, or 54% percent of the population, now receives free health care through the Barrio Adentro program.14 An estimated 40 to 47 percent of the population (around 10.7 to 12.5 million people) buys subsidized food through the Mercal program, at discounts averaging 41 to 44 percent.15 A May 2006 report16 by Datanalisis, a survey research firm associated with the opposition in Venezuela, found that Mercal represented 47.3 percent share of total sales in the food distribution market in March 2006, compared to 34.7 percent in October 2005.17

Access to free health care is a major improvement in the lives of the poor, and one that does not show up in the standard measure of poverty. It is not possible to adjust the poverty rate in a way that fully accounts for this change. For example, we could estimate the value of the health services provided free to the poor and add that to their income. However, the value of these services is so large relative to the poverty threshold that this method would move the vast majority of poor people over the poverty line.

Another way to incorporate the value of health care services to the poor is to take an estimate of what they would be spending out-of-pocket on health care if it were not provided by the government. This method vastly understates the value of these services to the poor, since in the absence of government provision many poor people simply go without needed health care, and therefore their out-of-pocket spending does not represent their actual health care needs.
http://www.rethinkvenezuela.com/downloads/ceprpov.htm

And it is not only because of oil the economy has grown, as some would suggest.
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The average growth rate for non-oil economy was 17.8%. All non-oil sectors demonstrated "significant growth", with a particularly strong showing in construction (32.1%), financial institutions and insurance (26.6%), transportation and warehousing, (26.4%) commerce and repair services (25.5%), and manufacturing and industry (25.4%). Mining (11.8%), communications (10.2%), and electricity and water (6.9%) also registered notable growth rates. The private sector grew 18.6% and the public sector grew 11.0%.
Venezuela Experienced Record Growth of 17% in 2004 | venezuelanalysis.com
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They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

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Reminds me of Mexico in the late 1970's.
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His Socialist reforms are wreaking economic havoc. The World Bank ranks Venezuela as the second-worst country in the Americas for the control of corruption, above only Haiti. Venezuela’s more than 22% inflation rate is the highest in the Western Hemisphere. Its currency has lost half its value in the past year and given rise to a thriving black market for dollars. To stem the hemorrhaging, Chavez prohibited overseas money transfers and has ordered his nation’s media outlets not to mention the underground currency market.
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The day the Iraqi government aquires the support of its people like Chavez does is the day the US troops should get leave Iraq.
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Have things gotten better in Venezuela for the average person under Chavez?
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Yes.
I was there many years ago. At the time, everyone had free healthcare, free schooling, and if you did not have a job the govt would find one for you.
Unfortunately, crime was a big problem, especially in Caracas.
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Why do so many Americans hate Hugo and his country? Why do so many Americans hate people in other countries? Could it have something to do with governments being made to work and benefit the people which don't do it the American way? Do Americans think they are better than other people in other countries?

Tell us. Don't be ashamed to tell us what you think Americans.
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Why do so many Americans hate Hugo and his country? Why do so many Americans hate people in other countries? Could it have something to do with governments being made to work and benefit the people which don't do it the American way? Do Americans think they are better than other people in other countries?

Tell us. Don't be ashamed to tell us what you think Americans.
I don't really know what to tell you, since none of your generalizations apply to this American.
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