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Right now I believe it's a futile effort because they have been raised to believe that those aren't people who are suffering. Or at least not American people. Understand that to them the deaths of a thousand Palestinians is not even an equal crime to the death of one American. This menatality needs to be perpetuated with them in order for them to continue to support their country's evil aggression. They think they are morally right in what their country is doing.

How can we even begin to bring them to the point of even questioning themselves? I think only future experiences will be all that they will ever understand. Has history ever proven otherwise with other aggressors?
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Today: If you think Hamas is just an enemy of Israel, think again:

Hamas Cleric Predicts 'Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam'
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A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that "the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital," would soon be conquered by Islam.

The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become "an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe."

"Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion," al-Astal preached, "so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da'wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.

"Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad," he added.
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Steve, and others, if Hamas is just what you say it is, how does it manage to be so popular?

Likewise Hezbollah?
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America is responsible for Muslim extremism. But beyond that, all religions are flawed and senseless superstitions.

The US track record proves that the Us was the aggressor long before their enemies had any aspirations of conquering the West or destroying Christianity.
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Steve, and others, if Hamas is just what you say it is, how does it manage to be so popular?

Likewise Hezbollah?
Since Arafat and Fatah did nothing for the people themselves, Hamas stepped in and organized schools, helped out with healthcare, and gave out food. From some of the things I have read, they were actually quite benevolent and did help the Palestinians. They also provided a purpose to unite the Palestinians, that was hatred of Israel. Its alot easier to lift up a gun and do something than pray for peace. (since neither side really wants peace).
However, it seems that Hamas popularity is waining since its crackdown of any criticism of it in Gaza, and any support for a peace agreement with Israel.

When I said they do not want peace, I am starting to realize that neither does Israel. Theres no gain in peace.
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Since Arafat and Fatah did nothing for the people themselves, Hamas stepped in and organized schools, helped out with healthcare, and gave out food. From some of the things I have read, they were actually quite benevolent and did help the Palestinians. They also provided a purpose to unite the Palestinians, that was hatred of Israel. Its alot easier to lift up a gun and do something than pray for peace. (since neither side really wants peace).
However, it seems that Hamas popularity is waining since its crackdown of any criticism of it in Gaza, and any support for a peace agreement with Israel.

When I said they do not want peace, I am starting to realize that neither does Israel. Theres no gain in peace.
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America is responsible for Muslim extremism. But beyond that, all religions are flawed and senseless superstitions.

The US track record proves that the Us was the aggressor long before their enemies had any aspirations of conquering the West or destroying Christianity.
The West destroyed Christianity long ago and perverted the founders doctrine to its own service. Have you read "The Sermon on The Mount". Some say it is the first socialist manifesto.
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Former U.S. President Carter visits Palestine



Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter (front R) lays a wreath at the tomb of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the West Bank city of Ramallah during his trip to the Palestinian territories on April 15, 2008. (Xinhua/Thaer Ganaim)

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[quote=New Governor Of Alaska;86373]Former U.S. President Carter visits Palestine



Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter (front R) lays a wreath at the tomb of the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the West Bank city of Ramallah during his trip to the Palestinian territories on April 15, 2008. (Xinhua/Thaer Ganaim)

Arafat was the worst leader the Palestinians ever had. They starved while he socked away millions. He did not accept a peace agreement which would have given them a homeland.
And Carter has little else to do but take trips to visit terrorists who will not negotiate with anyone. Interesting, most of the staff of the Carter Center quit over the mistatements and innaccuracies of his book.
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Carter is a stooge who deserves to be embalmed now.
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