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Old 04-08-2008, 08:19 PM
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It seems like our American "friend" is loosing it..... 8)

There is no more logic, no more thinking, no more civilized debate... Now emotions and filthy language are the only weapons that left in bourne's posetion....


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i think he lost it in Viet Nam.
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:20 PM
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Since it's a missile shield, what's the problem? Defense is one thing. If we were putting MRBMs in Eastern Europe, you'd have just cause to bitch about it, but since it's only anti-missile missiles, you have no reason to get your panties in a hitch, unless, of course, you were planning to launch missiles through Eastern Europe, in which case it's still a good thing that the shield is going in.

What's worse is that some idiots (no names) are trying to say that an anti-missile shield is a just casus belli for nuking the US, if not explicitly then implicitly.

Get over it, already. Not everyone is out to get you.
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Since it's a missile shield, what's the problem? Defense is one thing. If we were putting MRBMs in Eastern Europe, you'd have just cause to bitch about it, but since it's only anti-missile missiles, you have no reason to get your panties in a hitch, unless, of course, you were planning to launch missiles through Eastern Europe, in which case it's still a good thing that the shield is going in.

What's worse is that some idiots (no names) are trying to say that an anti-missile shield is a just casus belli for nuking the US, if not explicitly then implicitly.

Get over it, already. Not everyone is out to get you.
you don't understand it, do you?

Russia and the whole Eurasia want US out of there and back in American continent minding its own politics and minding its own business. US pissed off everyone and they are tired of US over there causing damage to Eurasia, stealing their Capital, causing deaths, destabilizing Eurasian economies, and threatening to cause momre damage.

US will be booted out of there, defeated, and sent back to home.
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Old 04-08-2008, 08:26 PM
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Whatever. It's just Putin farting through his mouth. There will be no Russian oversight. Putin has very little credibility..
Russia while no longer a super-power are still a significant player on the international scene. To say Putin has no credibility is a wee bit silly he is the leader of a country with largets landmass in the world, a population of 300 million and some of the worlds largest remaining oil reserves, therefore he has a lot of credibility.

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Russia needs to attend to its own internal problems, mind its own business and not concern itself with what NATO does.
I agree to an extent that Russia do need to sort many social problems, the lingerance of the KGB, the alcohal problem, the Russian Mafia and the lack of free press are all pressing issues IMO, however seeing as NATO intend on building a Base right on Russia's border in the Ukraine within Short-Range missile range of Moscow the it is not just NATO's business but also Russia's and the Russian populations.
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you don't understand it, do you?

Russia and the whole Eurasia want US out of there and back in American continent minding its own politics and minding its own business. US pissed off everyone and they are tired of US over there causing damage to Eurasia, stealing their Capital, causing deaths, destabilizing Eurasian economies, and threatening to cause momre damage.

US will be booted out of there, defeated, and sent back to home.
If that's the case then Russia should stay inside its own borders as well. I agree that the US needs to interfere less in global politics, but to call for the US to stand down without making Russia do the same is to simply replace one oppressor with another, and from past history, I can be reasonably sure that Russia would be worse than the US (recall the pogroms, Stalinism, etc. By the way, if Communism was so great, why did everything fall apart as soon as Gorbachev introduced Glasnost and gave the Eastern Europeans a taste of free speech? And don't give me that "CIA DID IT YAHYAHYAH!!!" BS either).
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If that's the case then Russia should stay inside its own borders as well. I agree that the US needs to interfere less in global politics, but to call for the US to stand down without making Russia do the same is to simply replace one oppressor with another, and from past history, I can be reasonably sure that Russia would be worse than the US (recall the pogroms, Stalinism, etc. By the way, if Communism was so great, why did everything fall apart as soon as Gorbachev introduced Glasnost and gave the Eastern Europeans a taste of free speech? And don't give me that "CIA DID IT YAHYAHYAH!!!" BS either).
Russia is within its borders. What are you talking about?

Anyway, Russia can do whatever it wants to do in Eurasia. US will soon be booted out of Eurasia, because Russia is now dominating it.

Bush and his children can show objections and try to make it the other way, but Russia is just simply the power of the world that no country in the world wants to anger. Certainly not those little European countries who depend on Russia for energy.

Its over for US. Accept it, get your troops home, start building a better America from scratch.
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Here is a reality check for all of you: Contrary to your beliefs, you are not special as you thought you were.
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Russia is within its borders. What are you talking about?
Face one.

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Anyway, Russia can do whatever it wants to do in Eurasia. US will soon be booted out of Eurasia, because Russia is now dominating it.
Face two. Wow, complete one-eighty.

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Bush and his children can show objections and try to make it the other way, but Russia is just simply the power of the world that no country in the world wants to anger.
o rly?

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Certainly not those little European countries who depend on Russia for energy.
So... You're bullying them. And that's perfectly OK because it's Russia doing it. I see. It makes perfect sense.

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OK, stop assuming things. You do realize I don't support a log of the things the US is doing? I want to reform our government, yes. Do we need to start over from scratch? No. It is not "over for the US." Why do you keep saying that, anyway? Okay, we've had Bush. Yeah, he's an idiot, and he's made about two-thirds of the world hate our guts and most of the rest mildly annoyed. That doesn't mean it's over for the US.

You know why people get ticked off when you say, "End the American Empire!!!"? Because implicit in that statement is a want to end America itself. That would be like me saying, "End Russia, kill all the Rus!" Instead of going around yelling about ending America and how we're an empire and ****, just say that you want us out of other countries' politics. Then you won't have everyone thinking you're a nutso radical. Of course, if you're too much of a stubborn dip to be mildly polite, feel free to use whatever terms you want. But you'll get the same amount of respect right back, buddy.
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...? It's a map with two arrows on it.

What, are you talking about land area? If so, I'd like to point out that about two-thirds of Russia is nearly-useless tundra and taiga and the minerals that are out there are buried under tons of permafrost and ice.
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Face one.



Face two. Wow, complete one-eighty.



o rly?



So... You're bullying them. And that's perfectly OK because it's Russia doing it. I see. It makes perfect sense.



OK, stop assuming things. You do realize I don't support a log of the things the US is doing? I want to reform our government, yes. Do we need to start over from scratch? No. It is not "over for the US." Why do you keep saying that, anyway? Okay, we've had Bush. Yeah, he's an idiot, and he's made about two-thirds of the world hate our guts and most of the rest mildly annoyed. That doesn't mean it's over for the US.

You know why people get ticked off when you say, "End the American Empire!!!"? Because implicit in that statement is a want to end America itself. That would be like me saying, "End Russia, kill all the Rus!" Instead of going around yelling about ending America and how we're an empire and ****, just say that you want us out of other countries' politics. Then you won't have everyone thinking you're a nutso radical. Of course, if you're too much of a stubborn dip to be mildly polite, feel free to use whatever terms you want. But you'll get the same amount of respect right back, buddy.

No, you don't understand how US became an Empire and what is holding it right now. THE US DOLLAR!

US has a monopoly on oil and world currency. Americans hate monopolies, but impose monopoly on the whole world. When the world rises and starts to dismantle US monopoly, US sends military to shut people down. How is that fair???

Because Saudis trade their oil in Dollars, this is the reason why the Dollar is a world currency. The moment someone says lets drop the dollar, Bush comes on TV and calls them terrorists.
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