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Old 03-10-2008, 09:13 AM
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Spain have elected the socialist party under Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero to power for a second consecutive time. The voting was close with the socialist party receiving 43.7% of the vote compared to the Popular Party's (the opposition) 40.1%. The result shows support for the sweeping social reforms intorduced by the socialists and was inspite of an economic dowturn recently experienced in Spain.

For more information see BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Victorious Spanish PM urges unity
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Old 03-10-2008, 10:55 AM
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Yes it is true that socialist party has won the elections.
Congratulations for all of them
But I believe things are gonna get worse in my country.
It is a victory for the socialist party, but it is a defeat for Spain, IMO.

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Old 03-10-2008, 11:33 AM
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Spain have elected the socialist party under Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero to power for a second consecutive time. The voting was close with the socialist party receiving 43.7% of the vote compared to the Popular Party's (the opposition) 40.1%. The result shows support for the sweeping social reforms intorduced by the socialists and was inspite of an economic dowturn recently experienced in Spain.

For more information see BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Victorious Spanish PM urges unity
I wouldnt get too excited, i believe they are about as socialist as New Labour.
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:50 AM
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I wouldnt get too excited, i believe they are about as socialist as New Labour.
Agreed.

I have several Catalan friends all of whom would say the same thing.

Their policies do lean to the left, but they are far from Socialist.

Still though, it's better that Aznar and his blind support for Bush.
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Old 03-10-2008, 12:20 PM
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Agreed.

I have several Catalan friends all of whom would say the same thing.

Their policies do lean to the left, but they are far from Socialist.

Still though, it's better that Aznar and his blind support for Bush.
Well it is an opinion that I respect, but I just can't share it.

First of all, IMO, how can you label yourself as socialists, when you're a righty within a capitalistic economy? Becuase whne people say that "their policies do lean to the left" is not true. There is no left in Spain, neither in the western countries. It is just a lie.

Aznar meant the most profitable period for Spain. Not only economically, but also from an international point of view. Our opinion began to be considered. That's something we hadn't seen since when we lost Cuba and Philipines.

With Mr. Aznar we had a Goverment formed by the most intelligent "pupils of the classroom".

Some socialist in Zapatero's goverment didin't finished Hihg School.

With Mr. Aznar the goverment was formed by people with very important academic record, I mean, most of them could have made more money following their professional career than being a politician.
On the other hand, most of socialists politicians are simply employees of the socialist party of Spain. I mean, no one would pay them the amount of money they are earning rightnow. It is a very good reason to do everything in your hands, to remain in power at nearly any price.

Aznar choose Bush as main ally. Zapatero has choosen Hugo Chávez.
I firmly believe that and alliance with the presidente of the US is much better, for the benefit of my country, that the one with Hugo Chávez.

In the next four years we are gonna face black clouds over Spain.

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Aznar choose Bush as main ally. Zapatero has choosen Hugo Chávez.
I firmly believe that and alliance with the presidente of the US is much better, for the benefit of my country, that the one with Hugo Chávez.

If he had choose Chavez over Bush 191 innocent people would still be alive today. But he didnt, he choose to follow the empire and look at the devestation it caused.
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It is certainly true that the Spanish economy did very well under the Aznar government, but as I see it, the economy actually did far better during the last years of the dictatorship, when Franco's government began fully to take advantage of tourism and industry and then later, after la transicion under the Gonzalez government when many of the same policies were continued but with greater personal freedoms.

Aznar's government did a lot of good for Spain but it is because of his support for the US invasion of Iraq that the M-11 train bombings took place, is it not?

Those black clouds you mentioned are going to find us all, no solo ustedes sino todos.
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If he had choose Chavez over Bush 191 innocent people would still be alive today. But he didnt, he choose to follow the empire and look at the devestation it caused.
I'm not so sure. The Madrid train attacks were not carried out by AlQaeda IMO. Those attacks were not the retaliation for our tiny participation in Irak. It was a terrorist attack with just one purpose: to change the Goverment of my country.
AlQaeda do not recruit hashis sellers or muslims who drink alcohol, who do not observed the muslim law, to carry out their suicide attacks.
There are a lot of darkness reagarding those train attacks.
Why haven't we have a single picture of the terrorists while entering the Madrid train station? We do have pictures of the terrorists of the 9-11 and also from the London train attacks, they didn't care about being photographied because they were going to die. Folks one of the Madrid attacks terrorist was found, hidden under a bed. That's not a martyr. That's not the way to freely fornicate the 754.428 virgins that are wainting for them in the muslim heaven.

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I'm not so sure. The Madrid train attacks were not carried out by AlQaeda IMO. Those attacks were not the retaliation for our tiny participation in Irak. It was a terrorist attack with just one purpose: to change the Goverment of my country.
AlQaeda do not recruit hashis sellers or muslims who drink alcohol, who do not observed the muslim law, to carry out their suicide attacks.
There are a lot of darkness reagarding those train attacks.
Why haven't we have a single picture of the terrorists while entering the Madrid train station? We do have pictures of the terrorists of the 9-11 and also from the London train attacks, they didn't care about being photographied because they were going to die. Folks one of the Madrid attacks terrorist was found, hidden under a bed. That's not a martyr. That's not the way to freely fornicate the 754.428 virgins that are wainting for them in the muslim heaven.

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I was disappointed in the Spanish people after that vote, Jabato. They did suceed in changing the government.

Why didn't the people stand against it?
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I'm not so sure. The Madrid train attacks were not carried out by AlQaeda IMO. Those attacks were not the retaliation for our tiny participation in Irak. It was a terrorist attack with just one purpose: to change the Goverment of my country.
AlQaeda do not recruit hashis sellers or muslims who drink alcohol, who do not observed the muslim law, to carry out their suicide attacks.
There are a lot of darkness reagarding those train attacks.
Why haven't we have a single picture of the terrorists while entering the Madrid train station? We do have pictures of the terrorists of the 9-11 and also from the London train attacks, they didn't care about being photographied because they were going to die. Folks one of the Madrid attacks terrorist was found, hidden under a bed. That's not a martyr. That's not the way to freely fornicate the 754.428 virgins that are wainting for them in the muslim heaven.

Saludos
So am i to assume you believe the discredited position that ETA are to blame ?
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