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Old 11-12-2007, 09:07 PM
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Musharraf? Bhutto? What do we do? Who do we support?
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:18 PM
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Musharraf? Bhutto? What do we do? Who do we support?
What do you mean "we"?

Is that a collective "we"? Or are you referring to the official policy of the US government?

Because if the question is directed at the US government, then the answer is that they officially support Musharref as an official friend and ally of the US government. President Bush has initiated at least $10 billion in 'military & humanitarian aid' funds to Pakistan within the last five years, making Pakistan under Musharref second only to Israel as the largest recipient of US taxpayer funding.

The USA has also many long-standing military alliance agreements with several Pakistani military dictatorships going back for at least three decades.

On this basis, you can be sure that the US Government under GWBush will likely endeavor to prevent any kind of international response to Pakistan's present political situation and will not suspend additional funding to Musharref.
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Old 11-14-2007, 09:28 PM
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At least Musharref, has half way stood by us. Unlike what could happen, with a nuclera armed nation like this.
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I'm sort of torn on this issue. On one hand, Musharraf has been a beneficial ally and has provided us with a lot of assistance in the war on terror. We know he'll probably stay aligned with us unless something very unexpected and drastic occurs. However, his recent seizure of power and declaration of martial law is worrying. What exactly is this man planning to do?

I must say, I find Bhutto's outspoken defiance quite admirable. She's not in much of a position to criticize the government in any way (last I heard, she was under house arrest...) but she didn't allow her weak position to stop her from demanding that Musharraf step down. If Bhutto did somehow gain power, I don't think we'd have to fear her turning against us. She probably wouldn't be as strong an ally as Musharraf, but an ally nonetheless. My only problem with her is the fact that she had to leave office previously because of alleged corruption.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:22 AM
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On one hand, Musharraf has been a beneficial ally and has provided us with a lot of assistance in the war on terror.
Could you identify even one concrete contribution?

Or perhaps you might care to address the 'peace-treaty' that Musharref signed with the Taliban last year?

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...What exactly is this man planning to do?
He is apparently using strong arm tactics in order to maintain his defacto rule since the pseudo-popular basis for it has been lost several months ago.

His government has apparently lost 'legitimacy' in the eyes of a very large number of Pakistanis. Whether or not it is a full majority that opposes him can't yet be determined.

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I must say, I find Bhutto's outspoken defiance quite admirable. She's not in much of a position to criticize the government in any way (last I heard, she was under house arrest...) but she didn't allow her weak position to stop her from demanding that Musharraf step down. If Bhutto did somehow gain power, I don't think we'd have to fear her turning against us. She probably wouldn't be as strong an ally as Musharraf, but an ally nonetheless. My only problem with her is the fact that she had to leave office previously because of alleged corruption.
Do you know much about Pakistani politics? If there is a 'free' election there right now, you can expect Bhutto to win it.
Pakistan is by tradition, riven with feudal, tribal and clan affiliations - of which the Bhutto family is one of the oldest and most prestigious families. That's why she's a leader. It doesn't matter what she says or does, she's the leader of the single largest faction in Pakistani politics until she dies (or gets assassinated like so many others in her family have been).

And corruption is the word westerners use to describe the Pakistani system of political patronage. Every political group in Pakistan is guilty of it and it isn't about to change anytime soon.
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Bhutto wants power, she would make a deal with the devil to achieve it. Elections--all opposition that would effect Musharraf have been jailed. The people can vote, but without a candidate what is the use?
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I support nuking the crap out of them, and letting the surviving radiation altered mutants take over the **** hole.

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You conspiracy heads are funny. Theres nothing wrong in Pakistan. IN fact, I'm planning on vacationing there next June.
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You conspiracy heads are funny. Theres nothing wrong in Pakistan. IN fact, I'm planning on vacationing there next June.
You're not serious right?
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