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Old 07-09-2008, 01:21 PM
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Yes, I know you think it's just an idea you heard being kicked around. An amnesty-type program, however, has been proposed both by the White House and by some in Congress.
Maybe that was the same one, or something similar. Hadn't that proposal been nuked? A whole bunch of "ideas" fill the op-ed pages almost every day, here. Didn't mean it was unique.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:26 PM
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I saw a Horsey cartoon from the Seattle newspaper of a family in front of their mansion with four feet tall grass and weeds (no Illegal for mowing lawns), dishes piled up around the sink (no illegal dishwasher) the laundry piled up (no illegal laundry aide).
Awww. They might have to do it themselves? No point in being rich, then, is there?
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I saw a Horsey cartoon from the Seattle newspaper of a family in front of their mansion with four feet tall grass and weeds (no Illegal for mowing lawns), dishes piled up around the sink (no illegal dishwasher) the laundry piled up (no illegal laundry aide).
So what? I don't live in a mansion so I don't need the country to be overrun with illegal Mexican scabs so that the rich could maintain their mansions.

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Just getting rid of all illegal immigrants if that were possible would result in a gargantuan bill for the law enforcement services, a large percentage would come right back over our non secure border, and in the meantime, we would be paying extreme prices for produce and feel the crunch of suddenly not having unskilled labor willing to work or less than normal survival wages.
The cost of labor is only about 10% of the cost of produce. No big hit there. States passing employers of illegals sanctions laws which force scumbag employers to NOT hire illegal Mexican scabs, taking away the jobs magnet that draws illegal Mexican scabs here in the first place, will stop the illegal Mexican invasion COLD. In additon, the 20 million illegals already here, suddenly without jobs, will have to go back to their hell holes. ALL AT LITTLE COST TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER. No more billions wasted on fraudulently obtained social services, no more schools ruined, no more overcrowded ERs, etc.

El presidente jorge, Bobama or McShame aren't going to secure to border. But with NO JOBS WAITING FOR THE ILLEGAL MEXICAN SCABS FROM THE SCUMBAG EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, ONLY THE CRIMINAL ILLEGALS WILL CONTINUE BREAKING IN.
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The cost of labor is only about 10% of the cost of produce.
Someone's gonna call you on that figure, there.
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In additon, the 20 million illegals already here,
...or this one...

but if I do, that'll get me branded a 'nit picker'.
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So is that why you are not rich? (^:

Er - not being serious here.
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Someone's gonna call you on that figure, there.
Well, the farmer gets about 24 percent of the price of his produce. Of that percentage the farmer's cost of migrant field labor is about one third. That breaks down to about 8 to 10 percent of the price of produce going to migrant field worker labor. Where's a nit picker when you need them?
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...or this one...

but if I do, that'll get me branded a 'nit picker'.
You're 'nit picking' about the estimated number of illegals in this country? Why?
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:00 AM
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So is that why you are not rich? (^:

Er - not being serious here.
Indeed, indeed! My goal is to be able to afford to be Republican!

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Well, the farmer gets about 24 percent of the price of his produce. Of that percentage the farmer's cost of migrant field labor is about one third. That breaks down to about 8 to 10 percent of the price of produce going to migrant field worker labor. Where's a nit picker when you need them?
In the absence of any other info about it, I'll have to go by your figures.

So, if the potential price increases of food is a red herring, must there be some other reason so may people agitate against anti-alien laws?

(I do find it remarkable that the most violently vocal defender of Mexican, women or other minority rights tend to be moderately affluent white males. Very odd phenomenon...)
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