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Old 06-01-2008, 02:40 PM
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Default Universal Mandatory E-verification

Since the fed gov is totally dysfunctional, regarding illegal immigration, because it is run by and for the special interest ruling elites, the latest trend in the fight to stop the illegal Mexican invasion is for the states to start passing tough on illegals/tough on the employers of illegals laws. Mandatory E-verification of the legal status of employees is what makes these laws work. It is the key to success. Mandatory E-verification makes all of those fake documents that illegals carry around worthless. If an employer is caught with illegals, he is just that, caught. Mandatory E-verification leaves the employers caught with illegals with no excuse. The employer must face the consequences. Massive fines, loss of business license, whatever. Most employers won't risk it and will fire their illegals. Voila. Universal mandatory e-verification would stop the illegal Mexican invasion COLD. New illegals, with no prospect of a job here, wouldn't come and most of those already here, suddenly without a job and with no prospect of a job, would have to self deport themselves back to where they came from. All this at very little cost to the American taxpayers.
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This sounds good to me, yet it also sounds suspiciously like an unfunded mandate. Is it? What would be the cost to an employer for implementing such a system? I'm all for creating an environment where illegals cannot find work and are forced to return home (or deported) but I'm also concerned when laws are passed which will cost money to implement yet no funds are provided to do that.
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This sounds good to me, yet it also sounds suspiciously like an unfunded mandate. Is it? What would be the cost to an employer for implementing such a system? I'm all for creating an environment where illegals cannot find work and are forced to return home (or deported) but I'm also concerned when laws are passed which will cost money to implement yet no funds are provided to do that.
All that is required from the employer is the (mandatory) telephone call verifying the employees legal status.
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OK, I like it. This would go a long way towards helping to solve the problem of illegals taking jobs which exerts downward pressure on wages and further shrinks the buying power of the American working and middle classes.
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OK, I like it. This would go a long way towards helping to solve the problem of illegals taking jobs which exerts downward pressure on wages and further shrinks the buying power of the American working and middle classes.
Absolutely. Mandatory e-verification is what made the tough on illegals laws passed in Arizona and Oklahoma successful, and led, of course, to the mass exodus of illegals from those two states.
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I'm skeptical as to whether this would stop people from hiring illegals.

A much better way to stop the "invasion" (*eyeroll*) would be to try to reverse the effects of NAFTA.
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I think it puts WAY too much burden on the business owners. Considering these illegals go by about 40 different names, and documentation is so easy to fake, I would need to see way more specifics on how this would work.

I'd hate to see small businesses destroyed because of some glitch. How does the system guarantee that this Roberto Alvarez Gonzalez really isn't that Roberto Alvarez Gonzalez? Are we still dealing with paper documents? How does this work, given all the aliases? Is this via phone? Computer? What if a business, like a gardening service, doesn't have one? Do we tattoo people and scan them? How much will that cost?

Lots and lots of questions, here.

In the frothing frenzy to punish people, let's not sell our souls to the latest "magic bullet". I still don't like jeopardizing businesses with the burdens of proof.
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Better idea:

Militarize the border. Mexico has soldiers on its border, let's copy them. One warning shot, if they don't stop, let loose on them. Two months you'll see a dead stop in border crossings.
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Militarize the border. Mexico has soldiers on its border, let's copy them. One warning shot, if they don't stop, let loose on them. Two months you'll see a dead stop in border crossings.
Not really.

First of all, I'm not sure we have the manpower to do what you suggest, second of all, they'll just find a new way in.
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Not really.

First of all, I'm not sure we have the manpower to do what you suggest, second of all, they'll just find a new way in.
We have 130,000 soldiers in Iraq and we can't cover 2,000 miles of border?
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