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Old 04-16-2008, 05:06 PM
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Default So Who Is REALLY Responsible For The Illegal Mexican Invasion?

We all know that the fed gov doesn't work for American citizens anymore regarding illegal immigration. But I lay the responsibility for both that and the illegal Mexican invasion where it belongs, on the employers of illegals. The employers of illegals are the ones providing the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place. Apparently employing illegals is so lucrative that the employers of illegals have all the money they need to buy all of the politicians, including Presidents, they need to keep the borders open and the cheap labor coming in. They also have been able to afford legions of activist/lobbyists who are paid to try and convince America that the American economy can't get along without illegal labor. In reality, it's just the employers of illegal's pocketbooks taking a hit that they're worried about. Another important function of these activists is to deflect attention away from what these employers of illegals are actually doing. They've earned their money because you never hear of anyone wanting to tar and feather the bastard employers of illegals.

The ONLY thing that is going to effectively reverse the illegal Mexican invasion is to remove the jobs magnet that brings the illegals here in the first place. It's a no brainer. Everyone knows that the fed gov is dysfunctional because of all the paid for lobbyists and bought off politicians. At the states level, however, Arizona and Oklahoma passed tough on illegals laws that forced MANDATORY e-verification of an employees legal status on businesses, and REMOVES the business licenses of repeat offender employers of illegals, which effectively dried up the jobs magnet for most of these illegals, which in turn resulted in a mass self deportation of many of the illegals. All at little expense to American taxpayers.

It makes it a little easier to fight the illegal Mexican invasion when you realize who is really behind it and fully responsible for it, the employers of illegals
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:43 AM
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What about the laws already being ignored by the feds. Now doesn't that count?
And being a nation of laws and the govt. ignoring it would have some connection to just where you place it. But your not seeing the big picture at all. I am not attacking you or what your saying.
Just pointing out some truths that have been fostering a long while. See Big Business as you point out (and the 5 state raid earlier) shows that we aren't the bosses we should be so then who is?
Not the companies that break the rules/laws. Heck there are plenty of them. But the CEO's and others who separate the real 5% of Americans (in this case not all have vested interested in the issues but most do) who own 90% of the wealth. And the many boards and CEO's and managers that hide then from being any where the issue, but gain the most. See the robber barons never went away. They got smarter and created companies and boards and the CEO's and others. Give that some thought please rouge, thanks for the moment to have my rant. lol
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What about the laws already being ignored by the feds. Now doesn't that count?
And being a nation of laws and the govt. ignoring it would have some connection to just where you place it. But your not seeing the big picture at all. I am not attacking you or what your saying.
Just pointing out some truths that have been fostering a long while. See Big Business as you point out (and the 5 state raid earlier) shows that we aren't the bosses we should be so then who is?
Not the companies that break the rules/laws. Heck there are plenty of them. But the CEO's and others who separate the real 5% of Americans (in this case not all have vested interested in the issues but most do) who own 90% of the wealth. And the many boards and CEO's and managers that hide then from being any where the issue, but gain the most. See the robber barons never went away. They got smarter and created companies and boards and the CEO's and others. Give that some thought please rouge, thanks for the moment to have my rant. lol
Maybe you've missed my point. It's not as if the fed gov out of the clear blue sky suddenly decided 'not to enforce existing immigration laws' on their own is it? The fed gov would have had to have been 'pursuaded' to not enforce existing immigration laws. The ONLY ones who would benefit from the fed gov not enforcing existing immigration laws ARE the employers of illegals, because they want an endless supply of cheap illegal labor. The question one might ask is how many lobbyists and how many bought off politicians from these employers of illegals did it take for the fed gov to stop enforcing existing immigration laws?

Another point I tried to make was that illegal immigration is NEVER going to be stopped until the main reason why most of the illegals come, that is the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals, is eliminated. Ending the jobs magnet is by far the single most important step to take in ending illegal immigration.

Since the fed gov has been rendered dysfunctional, bypassing the fed gov and having the states pass tough on illegal laws that dry up jobs for illegals worked in Arizona and Oklahoma. Apparently state legislators are a little more responsive to the public than Washington politicians.
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I WAS going to just keep my mouth shut but I've changed my mind. Some of the anti illegal crowd, of which I'm a staunch member of, obviously have no problem with bashing illegal aliens but seem to draw the line when it comes to holding the employers of illegals with having much responsibility for the illegal Mexican invasion, just because they provide the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here. They'll blame the gov and Mexico but not the employers of illegals that provide the jobs magnet. Could it be some of that good ole boy Republican stick togetherness we hear about? Apparently they don't want to come after the employers, 'cause the employers are just trying to help their bottom line' or 'I'd probably do the same thing'. What they want, it seems, is to try to seal the border and try to stop the supply of illegal labor itself and not penalize the employers of illegals. How has that worked? Especially since the gov is in the the hip pocket of big business.

Sadly and dishearteningly this is delusional self denial, because we're NEVER going to stop illegal immigration until the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals is stopped. The acid test is: if the jobs magnet that the employers of illegals provide that draws the illegals here in the first place was somehow stopped would the illegal Mexican horde still keep coming? Of course not.
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The recent crackdown on immigration has created a serious shortage of farmworkers and may drive up the price of produce.

We need immigration reform that allows farmers to employ migrants.
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The recent crackdown on immigration has created a serious shortage of farmworkers and may drive up the price of produce.

We need immigration reform that allows farmers to employ migrants.
20 plus million illegals in this country and the farmers can't find any farmworkers? How do you explain that? I haven't heard of ICE raiding any farms and arresting any fieldhands. Maybe the farmers could raise their prices to attract back those former illegal aliens fieldhands who moved on to better paying jobs.

What the farmers really want is a steady supply of desperate illegal aliens who will gladly work for the meager wages the farmers want to pay and have become accustomed to paying, and as each and every one of these illegal alien farmworkers eventually slip away into the vast illegal underground, the farmers will want immediate replacement illegal farmworkers.
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20 plus million illegals in this country and the farmers can't find any farmworkers? How do you explain that? I haven't heard of ICE raiding any farms and arresting any fieldhands. Maybe the farmers could raise their prices to attract back those former illegal aliens fieldhands who moved on to better paying jobs.

What the farmers really want is a steady supply of desperate illegal aliens who will gladly work for the meager wages the farmers want to pay and have become accustomed to paying, and as each and every one of these illegal alien farmworkers eventually slip away into the vast illegal underground, the farmers will want immediate replacement illegal farmworkers.
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Agricultural experts say stepped up efforts to crack down on illegal immigration is having an unwanted effect on American farmers. Some claim recent raids and threats to prosecute companies that hire undocumented workers have resulted in a severe labor shortage that could force some farms out of business and lead to higher food prices. VOA's Mil Arcega reports.

Thousands of undocumented immigrants have been arrested or deported following recent raids in at least seven major U.S. cities. Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff says the message is that illegal immigration will not be tolerated. "For many years, the way we dealt with illegal immigration was we paid political lip service to toughness. I think we've got to show the public that we are serious about enforcing the laws as they currently are written."

And the enforcement appears to be working -- perhaps a bit too well. Estimates show more than half of all farm workers in the United States are illegal immigrants. Without the steady source of cheap labor they provide, Wisconsin's Agricultural Secretary Rod Nilsestuen says many farms would be unable to function. "If you took away Hispanic labor from agriculture and from dairying in Wisconsin, we'd be in crisis. There's no two ways about that."
Farm Worker Shortage Blamed on US Immigration Crackdown

Your grocery prices are going to continue to climb.
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Farm Worker Shortage Blamed on US Immigration Crackdown

Your grocery prices are going to continue to climb.

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For several years stories in the media have reported a farm labor shortage. This study examines this question and finds little evidence to support this conclusion.
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Just get in line and be polite and wait your turn.. In the mean time empoyee more for the department of Immigration to get the into action as they are behind for all the crying by the Feds and others open boarders activist.
Not one suggest trying to do the job the correct way. And we have worker and green card for the farmers. As pointed out.
It isn't the farm employers but the money behind them that wants total control over pay to all workers. Like the contractors and slaughter houses do!
When a govt. doesn't want to protects its boarders (and in a time where we are at war with types who will do anything to strike at us) their is something wrong or someone elses agendga being followed. Can't anyone else see this? Look to the larger picture this is just a piece of the picture.
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Just get in line and be polite and wait your turn.. In the mean time empoyee more for the department of Immigration to get the into action as they are behind for all the crying by the Feds and others open boarders activist.
Not one suggest trying to do the job the correct way. And we have worker and green card for the farmers. As pointed out.
It isn't the farm employers but the money behind them that wants total control over pay to all workers. Like the contractors and slaughter houses do!
When a govt. doesn't want to protects its boarders (and in a time where we are at war with types who will do anything to strike at us) their is something wrong or someone elses agendga being followed. Can't anyone else see this? Look to the larger picture this is just a piece of the picture.
Part of the bigger picture points to the secret agenda of El Presidente jorge and his handlers moving the US towards the merger of Mexico and the US, in the North American Union. Let's see, jorge let's the Mexican trucks in, the NAFTA superhighway keeps going forward, jorge won't effectively enforce immigration laws resulting in illegal immigration quadrupling under his corrupt administration, jorge's building the type of southern border fence that even the gov says won't be very effective, jorge's helping Mexico enforce MEXICO'S SOUTHERN border which will be the southern perimeter of the NAU, 10 percent of Mexico's population now lives in the US illegally, jorge keeps pushing hard for an amnesty for the 20 million illegals in the US, falsely imprisoning Compean and Ramos to demoralize the border patrol, jorge is trying to get a totalization agreement passed with Mexico which will give all illegal aliens who worked a mere 6 quarters in the US, even if they worked illegally, American social security benefits, provided these illegals are ever given amnesty, Mexico has a lot of oil, etc. etc.
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