Originally Posted by rogue

I WAS going to just keep my mouth shut but I've changed my mind. Some of the anti illegal crowd, of which I'm a staunch member of, obviously have no problem with bashing illegal aliens but seem to draw the line when it comes to holding the employers of illegals with having much responsibility for the illegal Mexican invasion, just because they provide the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here. They'll blame the gov and Mexico but not the employers of illegals that provide the jobs magnet. Could it be some of that good ole boy Republican stick togetherness we hear about? Apparently they don't want to come after the employers, 'cause the employers are just trying to help their bottom line' or 'I'd probably do the same thing'. What they want, it seems, is to try to seal the border and try to stop the supply of illegal labor itself and not penalize the employers of illegals. How has that worked? Especially since the gov is in the the hip pocket of big business.

Sadly and dishearteningly this is delusional self denial, because we're NEVER going to stop illegal immigration until the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals is stopped. The acid test is: if the jobs magnet that the employers of illegals provide that draws the illegals here in the first place was somehow stopped would the illegal Mexican horde still keep coming? Of course not.

Originally Posted by rogue

20 plus million illegals in this country and the farmers can't find any farmworkers? How do you explain that? I haven't heard of ICE raiding any farms and arresting any fieldhands. Maybe the farmers could raise their prices to attract back those former illegal aliens fieldhands who moved on to better paying jobs.

What the farmers really want is a steady supply of desperate illegal aliens who will gladly work for the meager wages the farmers want to pay and have become accustomed to paying, and as each and every one of these illegal alien farmworkers eventually slip away into the vast illegal underground, the farmers will want immediate replacement illegal farmworkers.

Originally Posted by malrenalds

I think I agree with you on this. there is a first time for everything.
The fact is illegal aliens help the economy. that is why dems and the GOP want amnesty.
This is what middle America needs to learn.

Originally Posted by mono tejano

first, your numbers are way off. The best conservative estimates are in the 11 to 12 million range, of whom roughly 3 to 4 million aren't even Latin Americans or Mexicans but come from Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and, my favorite, Canada. Yep, no one knows for sure but it's estimated there may be more than 2 million Canadians living and working here illegally.

numbers:
Number of Illegal Immigrants Hits 12M

Second, farm workers aren't really the issue here. Yes, if we were to raise wages to the level that those here legally would willingly work in the fields, prices would increase drastically, which they are likely to do now anyway due to fuel costs.

Originally Posted by Blade

The "drastic" (any proof of "drastic"??) price increases would be way offset by the "hidden" social costs american citizens pay for the illegal alien presence - free health care, free education, imprisonment costs (in california, 25% of the prisom population is illegals), etc.

Originally Posted by malrenalds

Is this a Question or a comment?



It was a bush who floated this idea and got the ball rolling in the most recent since.

and have fun buying flour for 8 bucks a LB when you sheeple get your way. Call me Sheeple ? i am not the one spewing right wing propaganda.

BAD DIRTY MEXICANS GO AWAY!! They are not taking any of your jobs. the good jobs we have lost have gone to mexico, china, and alike.

Originally Posted by mono tejano

well then that's a problem within the CA criminal justice system, not the FED or it's policies. Don't you think CA would spend less money deporting them back to their home country than it does feeding and housing them in prison?