Finally a law man who actually tries to enforce the law. And it is working. Illegals are getting the message that if they stay in Arizona they will be arrested. Too bad there aren't more like this guy. Guess that is just me being racist again.


Link: Wake up America: Arizona Sheriff Arpaio Teaches The Country How To Crack Down On Illegal Immigration

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No one said your position was racist. It was your selection of terms to use for illegal aliens.

There are at least 10-20 million illegal aliens in the US.

Getting tough sounds great, but if everyone did it and we deported all of them back to Mexico the following would be the result:

(1) US taxpayers would be charged a huge bill for deporting them.

(2) Most would be back within the next month.

(3) If you are 100% get tough on your approach to this issue, that means no guest worker program. The prices on everything from wine to potatoes would substantially increase. Other service areas such as maids and gardeners would be reduced to severe personnel shortages.

What we really need is a comprehensive bill passed on illegal immigration. We need to break this down into two bills. The first would focus on border security only. That has a large majority support and would pass. A second bill would relate to a guest worker program, legal immigration, homeland security and other issues.

No, actually I have been called a racist. But that does not bother me because I know that I am not a racist. What bothers me is when over sensitive posters stand ready to twist something into a race issue. My term was in context with the topic, and not in a mean spirited or derogatory sentence.

We need to identify and deport illegal immigrants. Sounds like you are supporting the exploitation of illegals that are here working for substandard pay.
The idea that if we deported illegals that the price of certain goods would go up is not true. Young Americans would take some of those jobs. I did it when I was young. Also, I am in favor of worker visas. That would also solve the worker shortage.
Yes, we need to secure the boarders. We need to deport illegal immigrants. And we need to process them to come into America legally.
We need to prosecute businesses that hire known illegals as well. That will force many to return to Mexico and come in the right way.

If Americans do not agree with any of what I have said, then Americans need to change the current immigration laws. Change them, or enforce them.

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"Sounds like you are supporting the exploitation of illegals that are here working for substandard pay."

No, I am not. I pointing to the national impasse on illegal immigration. IT IS REALITY. The get tough people argue for their position with a basic disconnect with reality. WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE DEPORTATION? Then there is the reality that most of them will be back in a month because our borders have not been secured. Then who is willing to pay double or triple the prices for produce, wine and other immigrant dependent ag products?

Have a direct response to those issues and questions?

I already responded to those points. Read my talking points above. We have to secure the boarder first. We have to prosecute US companies that hire illegal immigrants. We have to deport those that have not self deported. We have to establish a workers visa program that tracks immigrants. It is not hard to do if America gets the political will to do it.

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If we look at everything logically as to what has worked and what hasn't worked, we immediately realize that the new tough on illegals laws in Arizona and Oklahoma resulted in a mass exodus of illegals from those states. Why? The mandatory requirement for the use of e-verify to determine that all hires by businesses are legal citizens, businesses were no longer able to "play dumb about the status of their hires" and the loss of the business license for repeat offenders by the employers who hire illegals, even the most flagrant employers of illegals could not afford to lose their business license and fired all their illegal hires, was the magic bullet. These two things DRIED UP the jobs for illegals in those states. Result: mass self deportation of illegals from those states and no new breakins. These laws WORK!

Most of the illegals who self deported from these states moved to neighboring states. So, the need to pass these types of law in all 50 states is readily apparent. This will result in mass self deportation of most illegals back to where they came from.

ALL THIS AT LITTLE COST TO AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.

Guest worker programs could be implemented to help in this transition period. A guest worker, however, would have no reason to disappear into the illegal alien underground, because there wouldn't be much of an underground, since most of them would have self deported.

Another magnet that needs to be changed is the 14th amendment. It needs to be changed to only those children born to legal American citizens have automatic birthright citizenship.

How about a bounty, like the old days?

Like the bounty they had in California during the gold rush for Indian heads, ears or scalps?

Rogue: Interesting idea. I have not seen a follow up study on this registration system. Who is filling those jobs if the illegal aliens leave? I still see a need for an effective guest worker program that require immigrants to pass a criminal record check and have an ID card.

I also have no problem with making legal immigration more accessible, but with requirements, such as learning English.

The context or motivation behind the racial slur you used are of no consequence, posting racial slurs is a violation of forum policy and that's that. Nothing personal and I am not speculating that your comment was racially motivated.

The staff here cannot be expected to determine whether or not some one's racial slurs are racially motivated or whether or not someone is a racist. All we can do is enforce forum policy and racial slurs, used in any context or by any means, violate forum policy.

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Well, passing these tough on illegals laws in 50 states, because they require mandatory checking of legal status with e-verify and take away the business licenses of repeat offender employers of illegals, will remove the jobs magnate that draws and keeps illegals here and will result in the mass SELF DEPORTATION of most, not all, of the illegals. All of the former employers of illegals will have to raise wages to try to attract LEGAL AMERICAN workers. These former employers of illegals won't be at a disadvantage though because all of their competition, the other former employers of illegals, will be in the same boat. At this point I could agree to some sort of guest worker program, if the case can be presented for the need for them and the amounts needed. These guest workers couldn't just walk off the job into the underground black market, like before, because it wouldn't really be there anymore and the former employers of illegals wouldn't hire them anyway anymore.

This country could go back to the rule of law and the national Democratic party wouldn't get to engineer a permanent majority by giving amnesty to a bunch of illegal alien future Democrats.