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Old 12-17-2007, 10:31 PM
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Lets face it many of the new immigrants are different then the ones who immigrated in the past and for many different reasons:

My Grandmother was from Mexican decent and when the family came here the family wanted to speak English and they learned English in two months. The Family wanted to become American and wanted to live the American dream! She married my Grandfather of French decent who also came to America to live the American dream.
On my other side it was not as clear cut you see, My GrandMother was 1/2 American Indian and 1/2 Irish two very discriminated against races in early America. The Irish side lived one step above slavery and The Native American
side well we need not go into that right now! I will say Grandma loved the Washington Redskins though! Another can of worms there.
Grandpa came from Germany in his youth his father a German Baker. They were told by Great Grandpa we will learn English as we are now Americans and we will do it in two months starting now! Grandpa also fought in World War two against Germany!
German immigrants are required to put up a bond to the German goverment to immigrate to the USA. I know a German family that is furious that it cost them $30,000 dollars to come to the US of A and now Illegals get amnesty for free.

The new Mexican Immigrants are much more self oriented and do not wish to be American! In fact we Natives often get called Gringo's and Whiteboys out here in Cali. Whats up with that.
Our tax dollars pay for printed matter in spanish. Not German, French, Italian, Chinese, Korean or anything else but Spanish. THAT IS WRONG! VERY WRONG! my friends.
I am not against legal immigration like in the good ole days. But this out of control illegal immigration is destroying our own culture in California. How many Californians have been told by these new immigrants that we need to learn the spanish language because they do not wish to embrace our American Culture? I know most all in California have been told this.
There is even talk by both Mexicans and Californians of a Quiet Mexican takeover or takeing back of California. Not sure if there is any truth to it or not. But I do know that the new Immigrants want to be Mexican and not American and it is very evident when they say I am Mexican not American so I speak Spanish my friend.

I agree with many others that the TV industry and our own Government is lieing about the immigrants taking only unwanted jobs! Are the following jobs unwanted:
Cooks ,Carpentry ,Trash truck drivers , Wait persons in Five star resteraunts ,Drywall hangers and finishers , Truck Drivers , Grocery Store workers ,Electricians ,Tractor Drivers , Factory job workers and formans.
Box store workers and on and on. It is out of control and we are nearing a really bad place as people are beginnning to feel the crunch already.

I have already been discriminated against several times when looking for employment as many many places now only hire bilingal speaking employees.
Even Home Depot told me it would be helpful. Wake up people before your job goes out to the lowest bidder and you cannot pay your mortgage!
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I consider myself a fairly tolerant person. However, I'm fully against illegal immigration. I agree that these illegals come here for only selfish reasons and for the most part don't strive to integrate themselves properly into our society. Its not like they were forced to come here. In the end they are only dragging our country down for their own benefit and self interest. Every time we have to deport an illegal individual, their country of origin should pay the US a deportation fee. The amount would depend on if the illegal committed any crimes while here in the US. Maybe then, they would be encouraged to do something about the problem in their own countries.
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Old 12-19-2007, 11:48 PM
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Immigration is fine. But you jumping a fence, crossing a river or paying a smugler to get into the city is not Immigration. It is border jumper and illegal. I don't get to go to a store and steal milk, bread and clean water when I am poor.
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What, exactly, is the problem with bilinguality?

If you can't speak enough spanish to do the job it isn't the fault of the job, it's your own deficiency.
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What, exactly, is the problem with bilinguality?

If you can't speak enough spanish to do the job it isn't the fault of the job, it's your own deficiency.
I agree, but why should companies feel the need to cater to social parasites that don't have the decency to learn OUR language and customs?
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I agree, but why should companies feel the need to cater to social parasites that don't have the decency to learn OUR language and customs?
It's not a matter of catering to anybody, or decency. It's simple economics.
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Old 12-25-2007, 02:33 AM
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It's not a matter of catering to anybody, or decency. It's simple economics.
Yes, it is a matter of catering, for exactly the same economic impulses that you mentioned. Companies, while they certainly have the right to mandate Spanish proficiency and deal with non-English speakers, I contend ought to have enough pride in their country and culture to reject the increased profit incentive of dealing with the disrespect that is embodied in an immigrant's refusal to learn our language.
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Yes, it is a matter of catering, for exactly the same economic impulses that you mentioned. Companies, while they certainly have the right to mandate Spanish proficiency and deal with non-English speakers, I contend ought to have enough pride in their country and culture to reject the increased profit incentive of dealing with the disrespect that is embodied in an immigrant's refusal to learn our language.
The only duty of a company is profit.

Even if your assertion that we should, in the United States, only speak English (really no logical reason for that), the point would be moot. Companies aren't people, they don't have pride: they make profit.
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The only duty of a company is profit.

Even if your assertion that we should, in the United States, only speak English (really no logical reason for that), the point would be moot. Companies aren't people, they don't have pride: they make profit.
Companies are comprised of people, who do have pride, and who collectively have the ability to influence society. Yes, their mission is profit and growth, but I would like to think that principle can fit in somewhere. I certainly would never agree to forcing them to adhere to a doctrine of national pride and rejection of foreign influence, but I would certainly like to see some backbone.

I never said that English should be the only language, I said everybody should be able to speak it. The Constitution is written in what language? Our judicial system in influenced by what European country primarily? Over 85% of the population speaks what language in the home?
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Companies are comprised of people, who do have pride, and who collectively have the ability to influence society. Yes, their mission is profit and growth, but I would like to think that principle can fit in somewhere. I certainly would never agree to forcing them to adhere to a doctrine of national pride and rejection of foreign influence, but I would certainly like to see some backbone.

I never said that English should be the only language, I said everybody should be able to speak it. The Constitution is written in what language? Our judicial system in influenced by what European country primarily? Over 85% of the population speaks what language in the home?
Your point being? If English shouldn't be the only language, then why is unreasonable for some companies to do some of their business in Spanish? or Chinese, or whatever.

You're assuming that everyone has the same values as you regarding language. What does it matter if the constitution is in English? The rights still apply to Spanish speakers.
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