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Old 04-04-2008, 08:33 PM
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The states that the illegals are going to, need to enact/enforce the same laws as Arizona and Oklahoma in order to combat the problem. Apparently those laws work.
Unfortunately, they don't work.

Oklahoma and Arizona both have very small 'illegal' populations compared to other states like Texas and California.

If these two states were to do the same thing, along with Florida and New York, the other two states with the highest numbers of illegal residents, there would be an exodus, not to Mexico, like y'all would like to believe, but to the states with more liberal laws, or to the countries with more liberal laws(Canada?), and this ain't gonna fix the problem. Again, it's just going to shift it to another sphere.

Legislation isn't the way to 'solve' this problem. They only solution is multifaceted, multinational and developmental in nature.

Treating immigrants like criminals, whether they're here legally or not, is not the answer. And every state will not enact or enforce the law the same way, not matter how much we might like to believe they 'should'.
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If these two states were to do the same thing, along with Florida and New York, the other two states with the highest numbers of illegal residents, there would be an exodus, not to Mexico, like y'all would like to believe, but to the states with more liberal laws, or to the countries with more liberal laws(Canada?), and this ain't gonna fix the problem.
It most certainly would. Make it impossible for illegal aliens to work, and they will leave. In the meantime: round them up, ship them south, put them to work walling off Mexico.
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Great.

Brilliant idea. Why don't you go ahead and pay for that. Cuz I ain't gonna.

Think, for two seconds, about the costs of forcibly deporting the entire population of New York City. That's the level of thing we'd have to undertake.

We can't even find Waldo. You think we'd be able to find TEN MILLION people who don't want to be found?
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Unfortunately, they don't work.

Oklahoma and Arizona both have very small 'illegal' populations compared to other states like Texas and California.

If these two states were to do the same thing, along with Florida and New York, the other two states with the highest numbers of illegal residents, there would be an exodus, not to Mexico, like y'all would like to believe, but to the states with more liberal laws, or to the countries with more liberal laws(Canada?), and this ain't gonna fix the problem. Again, it's just going to shift it to another sphere.

Legislation isn't the way to 'solve' this problem. They only solution is multifaceted, multinational and developmental in nature.

Treating immigrants like criminals, whether they're here legally or not, is not the answer. And every state will not enact or enforce the law the same way, not matter how much we might like to believe they 'should'.
Fortunately, these laws DO work. They worked in Arizona and Oklahoma. The desired effect of a mass exodus of illegals from those states was achieved. That's what I call working. Do Arizonians or Oklahomans care that these illegals just moved to neighboring states? No. If Texas and California, which are already flooded with illegals, don't like it, they have the option of passing their own tough on illegals laws. Right. A trend that I would like to see is as each state becomes flooded with illegals they will be forced to pass their own tough on illegals laws until ALL 50 states have come on board. At that point these illegals will have NO SANCTUARY and will have to go back to where they came from. Once they leave the US they're not our problem anymore. It's going to fix the problem of illegal immigration as far as it concerns the US.

We're not talking about mass deportation, we're talking about mass SELF DEPORTATION. This whole process will have relatively little cost to the American taxpayer.

After all, it has become increasingly apparent that if there is going to be any real enforcement of immigration laws it will be done at the state level.
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Great.

Brilliant idea. Why don't you go ahead and pay for that. Cuz I ain't gonna.

Think, for two seconds, about the costs of forcibly deporting the entire population of New York City. That's the level of thing we'd have to undertake.

We can't even find Waldo. You think we'd be able to find TEN MILLION people who don't want to be found?
Cost? Don't care. Whatever it takes, it is worth it. Wall off Mexico. Seal the border.

Of course, there is a way to do it cheaply: put bounties on them. Say, $1-200 per illegal.

Then again, my wife's idea is even cheaper: round them up, line them up, and shoot them.
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Cost? Don't care. Whatever it takes, it is worth it. Wall off Mexico. Seal the border.

Of course, there is a way to do it cheaply: put bounties on them. Say, $1-200 per illegal.

Then again, my wife's idea is even cheaper: round them up, line them up, and shoot them.
You have no credibility. You suggest the killing of innocent human life, so cavalier. Something is radically wrong with you. I hope they ban you, quick, fast and in a hurry.
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No...I say round them up (either INS/ICE agents or private citizens collecting bounties, the latter probably cheaper & more effective), wall off Mexico, and ship them home. My wife is considerably more cynical than I am.
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No...I say round them up (either INS/ICE agents or private citizens collecting bounties, the latter probably cheaper & more effective), wall off Mexico, and ship them home. My wife is considerably more cynical than I am.
Cynical? Is that what you're calling it? Your wife speaks "volumes" about you.
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Shipping them home won't solve the problem because they'll come right back. Enforcing laws making it impossible to work here if someone comes here illegally, and changing the laws so they cannot benefit from social services here WILL work. Remove the motivation for them to come here and most will stop.
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Yep, I'm the first to say my wife is breathtakingly cynical.
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