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Old 12-12-2007, 09:53 PM
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The difference is that previous immigrants were granted legality and rights. Present ones are not.

So long as that is true, the problem will only get worse. No border fence is going to change that.
Correct, I'm agreeing with you here. We need to allow people an easy way to get into this country legally. Also for all the illegal immigrants, we have to give them a choice, either become citizens or leave. If they don't want to stay legally, send them home, if they want to stay legally let them stay. The problem is the Congressmen and the President don't want to make the immigration laws more leniant to allow people to come here legally. We need less Xenophobics in Washington. Of course we also need major corporations to stop hiring workers illeagally as well.
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:04 PM
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To do all of the paper work correctly it takes time and money. How can we fast track? Do you feel like letting all of Mexico's hardcore felons into the US? I really don't. It is a fact that this country was built on immigrants but the thing is, they gave back. They stayed for the long haul and built this country you are correct. What do border jumpers do for us? They come up and make a **************** load of money compared to Mexico and never have to pay any taxes.
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Old 12-13-2007, 03:07 PM
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The status quo is exactly the problem. More status quo only continues the problem.
The status quo is that existing laws are not being adequately enforced and the result is that people are both entering the United States illegally and staying in the United States illegally for years.
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:05 PM
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The status quo is that existing laws are not being adequately enforced and the result is that people are both entering the United States illegally and staying in the United States illegally for years.
Maybe existing laws are horribly flawed and therefore neither practically enforceable nor worthy of being enforced in the first place.
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:39 PM
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Maybe existing laws are horribly flawed and therefore neither practically enforceable nor worthy of being enforced in the first place.
Maybe they are horribly flawed but they are certainly enforceable.
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:44 PM
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How to solve illegal immigration:

1. Remove all combat forces from Iraq and Afghanistan, and place them on the border with Mexico. Effectively, militarize the border. Before you go ape ****************, please remember that Mexico has her army on our border RIGHT NOW.

2. Shoot anybody attempting to cross illegally if they do not turn back after one warning.

3. Fine employers $100k per illegal found working for them.


Problem solved.
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:24 PM
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Maybe they are horribly flawed but they are certainly enforceable.
Not unless you have the Gestapo rooting their way into many people's lives. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are just those who overstayed their visas, and are largely integrated into society.
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:54 PM
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Not unless you have the Gestapo rooting their way into many people's lives. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are just those who overstayed their visas, and are largely integrated into society.
There is supposedly a record of who has visas and when those visas expire. It isn't all that complicated to find out whether those people are still here and, if they are still here after their visas have expired, to deport them. There is no need for any kind of Gestapo-like organization.
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"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

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"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 12-14-2007, 03:12 PM
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You are right on the money.

Dry up the jobs and most of the illegals will deport themselves back to Mexico.

There is nothing wrong with our immigration system that strict enforcement of our existing immigration laws would not fix.

If you would haul the CEO's of ADM and Centex into the Justice Dept and inform them that they would be held personally accountable for hiring illegals, the border would be flooded with illegals headed south.

In FL about 11% of legal citizen families receive some form of public assistnace. The figure for illegals is 45%. My tax money is, indirectly, going to subsidize landscapers and home builders for cheap labor.

I am no fan of GWB and if anyone would like to form a petition for impeachment of Bush on this issue, I just might the first one to sign.
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Old 12-14-2007, 10:35 PM
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I repeat, if you want to solve illegal immigration, slap a $10,000 fine per offense upon any corporation or private citizen that hires one.

But no one is going to pass that kind of law because corporations and private citizens like their low-wage illegal laborers too much.

For anyone curious, the illegality of immigrants is a feature, not a bug. It is the policy to have illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants work for sub-standard wages and have no rights. That's why they are so popular with corporate employers and wealthy people (who use them as nannies, maids and gardeners).
I cannot find a word here with which I could disagree. As I have said previously, there is an unholy alliance here between the transnational left and the Big Business right. One believes passionately that national borders are a silly construct, and that the wealthier nations have a moral obligation to support the residents of economic-basket-case nations; whereas the other believes fervently that a better-than-expected quarterly report is the highest of all possible values, irrespective of how it might have been achieved.

And that is a hugely depressing state of affairs.

Note: There may be a small ray of hope. I believe Arizona passed a law earlier this year, that will go into effect on January 1, 2008, that will suspend the business license, for one week, of anyone found guilty of employing illegals. A second offense, it is my understanding, will result in a permanent loss of the business license.
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