I've been opposed to a wall along our southern border ever since I first heard of this ridiculous concept. It is nothing more than a tax boondoggle, while the reasons the illegal immigrants come here remain basically unchanged; to obtain free social services in their native languages, a chance at amnesty, and to work cheaply which has a negative impact on our wages.

The following article shows how ridiculous this wall idea ls, since it is planned to go through homes of regular folks yet holes will be left where the rich and politically-connected own property. Having a huge, expensive wall with huge holes defeats the whole purpose and is nonsensical. It also shows how the average person today is totally disenfranchised by the machinations of a corrupt government that is bought and paid for with campaign donations from the rich. This is an excerpt and you can read more at: Eminent Domain? Only If Youre Rich

Eminent Domain? Only If You're Rich
So who will not have to deal with an 18 foot wall in their backyard? And who is building it?

by J Monroe

There seems to be a few planned holes in Homeland Security's proposed border wall. Not holes for people like Eloisa Tamez, for whom the proposed 18-foot wall would go directly through her backyard and destroy her property. No, those are holes planned in the wall for multi-million dollar resorts and homes:

While the border wall will go through her backyard and effectively destroy her home, it will stop at the edge of the River Bend Resort and golf course, a popular Winter Texan retreat two miles down the road. The wall starts up again on the other side of the resort.

Just 69 miles north, Daniel Garza, 76, faces a similar situation with a neighbor who has political connections that reach the White House. In the small town of Granjeno, population 313, Garza points to a field across the street where a segment of the proposed 18-foot high border wall would abruptly end after passing through his brick home and a small, yellow house he gave his son. "All that land over there is owned by the Hunts," he says, waving a hand toward the horizon. "The wall doesn't go there."

In this area everyone knows the Hunts. Dallas billionaire Ray L. Hunt and his relatives are one of the wealthiest oil and gas dynasties in the world. Hunt, a close friend of President George W. Bush, recently donated $35 million to Southern Methodist University to help build Bush's presidential library. In 2001, Bush made him a member of the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, where Hunt received a security clearance and access to classified intelligence.

Most border residents couldn't believe the fence would ever be built through their homes and communities. They expected it to run along the banks of the Rio Grande, not north of the flood levees?in some cases like Tamez's, as far as a mile north of the river. So it came as a shock last summer when residents were approached by uniformed Border Patrol agents. They asked people to sign waivers allowing Homeland Security to survey their properties for construction of the wall. When they declined, Homeland Security filed condemnation suits.

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Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

I see nothing ridiculous about it. Let me ask you if it wasn't working in th efew places we have it. Why ar ethe Mexion's so distrught that they attack the Boarder Patrol?

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It's not Mexican immigrants, but drug smugglers who have attacked the border patrol. If anything, those trying to enter this country illegally, would do that ONLY as a last resort if their own lives were at risk.

And for the record, the 'wall', 'fence' whatever you want to call it, is nothing more than a hole in the ground where we'll be throwing money month after month, year after year.

Did the Great Wall of China keep the Mongols out? No. Did the Berlin Wall keep people from escaping to the west? No. Has the wall in Isreal reduced attacks by militant Palestinians? No. Did Hadian's Wall protect Britania from the Picts? No.

In all of these cases it might have slowed things down, but only temporarily, and then it just shifted the problem to another sphere.

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mlurp wrote: You don't see anything ridiculous about an expensive wall with huge holes in it? :idiot:

mono tejano wrote: Exactly. It's more corporate welfare for the company or companies who will build and maintain it. The only way to stop the invasion from our southern border is to remove the reasons that bring the people here. Denying them jobs and free social services will be a lot more effective than building a stupid wall, especially one with holes big enough to drive a caravan through.

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Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Phase I is to build a border fence to "reduce" not eliminate the flow of illegal immigrants.

Phase II The inclusion of land mines will further reduce the flow of "illegals".

Am I being sarcastic? Of course I am,we need to address the "reason" people "violate" our sovernty. Mexico is a very wealthy nation controlled by 5 wealthy families. It is also corrupt,the Mexican people would wrather SWITCH than FIGHT. Sure,fighting for change is risky,they could die in the process just like we did in our revolution. The easy way out for the Mexican people is to just violate the border of our nation and eventually become our problem..8)

At my age,I should not even care about this issue. It will effect the 20- 30 something crowd not me.

It's your future..DEAL WITH IT or simply give into it...

To quote the great Jack White:

"White Americans, what, nothing better to do?
Why don't you kick yourself out? You're an immigrant too!"

At least "illegal" immigrants from Mexico aren't killing us off like previous generations of European immigrants did to many Native Americans.

Nice to hear someone else cite the Native Americans. Yeah, where would we be now if they had an effective illegal immigration program. All they had to do in the initial European colonies was to simply not help out. The white settlers barely survived the first winter. If all of the first colonies were left to fend for themselves and they couldn't live off the land like Native Americans, where would we be now?

However, I am concerned with the huge numbers of illegal immigrants entering this country and consuming the taxes other pay for their medical, social, legal and educational services. I would support a more accessible legal immigration process, as it would require criminal record checks and immigrants paying taxes. I would support a guest worker program that met the same standard of ID card, criminal record check and taxes.

And as the president of Mexico just stated in a speech, Mexico needs to better its own conditions for Mexicans to continue to live and work in their own country.

I have known many Hispanic Americans in my life and I have no issue their being a part of our diversity here in the USA.

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WASHINGTON — A 28-mile "virtual fence" that will use radars and surveillance cameras along the Mexican border to try to catch people entering the country illegally has gotten final government approval.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Friday was to announce approval of the fence, which was built by the Boeing Co. and which uses technology the Bush administration plans to extend to other parts of the Arizona border as well as in Texas. These projects could get under way as early as this summer, officials said.

The virtual fence is part of a national plan to secure the southwest border with physical barriers and technological detection capabilities intended to stop illegal immigrants on foot and drug smugglers in vehicles. As of Feb. 8, 295 miles of fencing had been constructed.

The virtual fence already is working.

On Feb. 13, an officer in a Tucson command center — 70 miles from the border — noticed a group of about 100 people gathered at the border. The officer notified agents on the ground and in the air near the border. Border Patrol caught 38 of the 100 people who tried to cross illegally, and the rest of the people went back into Mexico, a Homeland Security official said.

FOXNews.com - 28-Mile 'Virtual' Mexican Border Fence Gains Approval

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Why is my reply to Lumara post not here? I posted it early this morning. This isn't the first time this has happened.
Once again. Quote: ridiculous concept End Quote.... IMHO your wrong and it is of value. So answer me just why where we do have the walls and fences are the Mexican's attacking our Boarder Guards?

REGIMENT GUARDS BORDER.; Letter Shows Mexicans Planned Attack on Ameri... - Article Preview - The New York Times
Friday, February 22, 2008

REGIMENT GUARDS BORDER.; Letter Shows Mexicans Planned Attack on American Town.

March 4, 1913, Tuesday

Page 10, 805 words

DOUGLAS, Ariz., March 3. -- To prevent a repetition of yesterday's skirmish between American and Mexican troops, Col. Guilfoyle has almost the whole force of the Ninth Cavalry on border patrol duty to-night. He even sent a machine gun platoon to the international line. There was firing near the line late to-day caused by an attempt of the negro troopers to intercept what was supposed to be a detachment of Mexican troops crossing the line. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ] Use link to read the rest.

OR: Gunmen Attack National Guard Border Patrol Site in Arizona
Fox News /AP ^ | Friday, January 05, 2007
Gunmen Attack National Guard Border Patrol Site in Arizona



Posted on 01/05/2007 5:08:43 AM PST by IrishMike


TUCSON, Ariz. — National Guard troops at an observation post near the Mexico border were forced to flee a group of armed people, who later ran into Mexico, authorities said.

The troops, who are not allowed to apprehend illegal border crossers, withdrew safely and no one was injured, said National Guard Sgt. Edward Balaban.

U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the 11 p.m. Wednesday incident and trying to determine who the armed people were and why they approached the post near Sasabe, in the desert corridor between Nogales and Lukeville. Balaban said the troops didn't know how many people were involved because it was so dark.

That area has been the busiest in the Tucson Sector for marijuana seizures. Agents have seized 124,000 pounds of marijuana there since Oct. 1, said Rob Daniels, spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector.

"We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion," Daniels said.

With more Border Patrol agents and National Guard troops patrolling the Arizona section of the U.S.-Mexico border, it has become more difficult to smuggle drugs and people across and "that heightened frustration may have been connected to what took place last night," Daniels said.

Balaban said officials would investigate and then determine whether to change any procedures for troops at the border.

Since arriving in mid-June, the Guard has assisted the Border Patrol by manning control rooms, repairing roads, fences and vehicles, and spotting and reporting illegal border crossings to the Border Patrol. President Bush said last spring he would have up to 6,000 National Guard troops deployed to assist the Border Patrol. Read more at the site.

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Is there another border fence thread floating around?

I have already posted the story of the experience with a fence in the San Diego area. If I am being redundant, my apologies. That comes with age.

If I am being redundant, my apologies. That comes with age.

They have had a fence near the California - Mexico boarder in the San Diego area for years. They discovered a tunnel running under the fence and hired a cement truck to come in and fill the tunnel. The truck was backing up to position itself to pour the cement when it started sinking into the ground. Another tunnel was dug immediately after the first one was discovered.

And I wish I could find the cartoon to paste here with a guy reading the newspaper that had a headlines about the US erecting a 12 foot high wall. In the background, a Mexican border town grocery story was selling poles for the purpose of pole vaulting.

A full wall along the border is a project the size of the Great Wall of China. If this project was started, my guess is (1) it well assist our going bankrupt, and (2) Halliburton would get a no bid contract to build it. And maybe like their contract work in New Orleans for Katrina clean up, they will hire illegal immigrants to do the work at minimum wage while making tens of millions of dollars.

My vote would be for high tech surveillance including the use of the drone unmanned spy aircraft we are using in the mideast.

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