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Old 01-14-2008, 06:59 PM
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I thought Hadrian was trisexual. He tried anything that moved.
That would be 'omnisexual', not "trisexual". Trisexual specifically suggests a preference for three 'sexes' (same-sex, opposite-sex and 'other').

Er - ah - and what other category is there besides those three. Are you speaking from experience? Tell me. Maybe there are more experiences to have before I kick the bucket.

Extra terrestrial sex?

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Old 01-14-2008, 07:08 PM
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Just because a concept was first thought up in its modern form after a certain point does not mean that it cannot be applied to some extent to past figures. There were exclusively homosexual men back in the day, and it's perhaps better that nobody noticed this as being different or strange, but if a man only had sex with other men and we know this for a fact, it's pretty safe to call him gay. By your logic, we couldn't call Liberace gay because he never came out.
Correct - you cannot call Librace gay because he never came out.

Now, on the balance of evidence available on that topic, you may reasonably suspect that Liberace was homosexual, but that would only be speculation on your part.

And "gay" and "homosexual" are entirely different things. These terms are NOT interchangeable.

Secondly, your study of history seems to be rather selective. Homosexuality in ancient Greece (for example) was sternly rebuked and held to be unacceptable. Likewise in ancient Rome. Likewise in 15th century Florence and 19th century Britain.

For your information, in ancient Athens, any proper gentleman who may have sought the sexual favor of an 'ephebian' bloody well had to be a citizen in good standing, with a wife and children. If he didn't he'd be ostracized.

In other words, the ancients understood the term "homosexual" quite clearly and rejected it roundly.

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Then again, I think this is a semantics issue. When I'm reading this thread, I'm thinking "gay" in a purely behavioral context--he had sex with other guys. That's it. None of the cultural stuff, rainbow flags, the Castro, etc.
You've apparently got the terms backwards. Anyone who engages in same-sex behavior is understood to have 'homosexual' inclinations.

"Gay" has a socio-cultural meaning beyond that clinical definition.

In other words, "homosexual" is a clinical term. "Gay" is a pop-culture term.

One can be "gay" by US pop-culture standards and never have any 'same-sex' experiences or inclinations at all.

Indeed, if you leave the 'bubble' of the USA, you might find strong resistance to the term "gay" in the homosexual communities. The Brits, for example, generally prefer to use the term "queer" to "gay" - which they consider to be too much of an American political thing.
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