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Old 01-06-2008, 11:52 PM
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This is the story of Atlantis found on: The Story of Atlantis

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Over 11,000 years ago there existed an island nation located in the middle of the Atlantic ocean populated by a noble and powerful race. The people of this land possessed great wealth thanks to the natural resources found throughout their island. The island was a center for trade and commerce. The rulers of this land held sway over the people and land of their own island and well into Europe and Africa.

This was the island of Atlantis.

Atlantis was the domain of Poseidon, god of the sea. When Poseidon fell in love with a mortal woman, Cleito, he created a dwelling at the top of a hill near the middle of the island and surrounded the dwelling with rings of water and land to protect her.

Cleito gave birth to five sets of twin boys who became the first rulers of Atlantis. The island was divided among the brothers with the eldest, Atlas, first King of Atlantis, being given control over the central hill and surrounding areas.

At the top of the central hill, a temple was built to honor Poseidon which housed a giant gold statue of Poseidon riding a chariot pulled by winged horses. It was here that the rulers of Atlantis would come to discuss laws, pass judgments, and pay tribute to Poseidon..

To facilitate travel and trade, a water canal was cut through of the rings of land and water running south for 5.5 miles (~9 km) to the sea.

The city of Atlantis sat just outside the outer ring of water and spread across the plain covering a circle of 11 miles (1.7 km). This was a densely populated area where the majority of the population lived.

Beyond the city lay a fertile plain 330 miles (530 km) long and 110 miles (190 km) wide surrounded by another canal used to collect water from the rivers and streams of the mountains. The climate was such that two harvests were possible each year. One in the winter fed by the rains and one in the summer fed by irrigation from the canal.

Surrounding the plain to the north were mountains which soared to the skies. Villages, lakes, rivers, and meadows dotted the mountains.

Besides the harvests, the island provided all kinds of herbs, fruits, and nuts. An abundance of animals, including elephants, roamed the island.

For generations the Atlanteans lived simple, virtuous lives. But slowly they began to change. Greed and power began to corrupt them. When Zeus saw the immorality of the Atlanteans he gathered the other gods to determine a suitable punishment.

Soon, in one violent surge it was gone. The island of Atlantis, its people, and its memory were swallowed by the sea.

This is a summary of the story told by Plato around 360 BC in his dialogues Timaeus and Critias. These writings of Plato are the only specific known references to Atlantis. They have prompted controversy and debate for over two thousand years.
Do you all think the island to be real, or just an allegory for Plato to use? I want to hear your honest opinions.
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Old 01-07-2008, 12:00 AM
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Actually, I've heard they actually found the island. It was real, and the city was destroyed by the volcano the island was formed by. I forget which it was. It's somewhere in the Mediterranean.
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Old 01-07-2008, 12:08 AM
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This is the story of Atlantis found on: The Story of Atlantis



Do you all think the island to be real, or just an allegory for Plato to use? I want to hear your honest opinions.
Maybe it was a prophecy

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Seriously though, there are other cultures with legends of a lost people. It could be true. Maybe Plato used a legend he already knew, but didn't believe in himself.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:11 AM
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Eh there could have been a place like Atlantis but the way it is described in Myth probably not.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:55 AM
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They'd have to find the place before I believed it, and given the time period Plato places it in (around 9000 B.C.) something tells me that no accurate record could possibly exist. In fact, there really couldn't have even been a society there at that time; the earliest known city was founded around 8000 B.C.
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the legend/myth said it was a rase, it didnt say it was humans ^_^
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You bring up an interesting point, miriya. Lemuria also is an alleged lost civilization that predates Atlantis and, as miriya implied about Atlantis, those people weren't the same as the human race we have today according to what I have read.

Phaedrus, Atlantis was allegedly in the Atlantic Ocean, not the Mediterranean. It may have existed but so many civilizations may have been lost in the mists of time that it's hard to tell which really did exist without conclusive proof.
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Plato got it wrong. It was not unusual for ancient Greeks (as Plato admits) to get their information from sources such as Egypt. There are hugely exaggerated dynastic spans in the 'official' records of kings of Egypt and of Babylonia, with some kings having said to have reigned for 'thousands of years'. If I'm not mistaken Plato claims his version of Atlantis can be seen from Egyptian sources.

In my view the most likely source of the story is to be found in the huge earth movements known to have occurred worldwide around 1250BC - these known to have affected coastal areas worldwide (such as the subsidence of many ports including ancient Alexandria and the port city of Amnisos in Crete). Another thing is that the 'Ice Age' did NOT end some 10,000 years ago as we suppose. It was actually ending during historical times. Atlantis may well have existed. But the formation of the Meditteranean is itself a very recent event. It certainly was created only within the span of human recorded history. The massive volcanic eruption of Santorini (also around the same time) is said to have brought huge devastation to Minoan culture on Crete, for example.

So, yes, perhaps Atlantis DID exist. But not vastly earlier than dynastic civilizations in Babylonia and Egypt. It may have been flooded less than 4,000 years ago as the result of events which formed the modern Meditteranean Sea. Its location was probably to the west of the Meditteranean, in the Atlantic.
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Definately allegorical. Looks to me like Plato was discussing an idealized version of Minoan culture (perhaps via Egypt).

The fact the 'features' of Altantis culture matches Plato's view of an idealized world are entirely coincidence I'm sure.
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Philadelphia say it pretty much the way I feel. The translation of time through the ages has always been tricky. And Thera/Santorini certainly fullfills much of the story.
There have been many cities swallowed up by rising waters as the Ice Age ended and waters rose. Marine archeology has documented many such cities.One very interesting find was located off the mouth of the Indus River in Northwest India. The city is about 1/2 mile down and very developed in its layout with modern like streets. The geology team that discovered it by sidescan radar also brought up artifacts.
This has been repeateed all over the world. So, have sunken cities existed? Yes, which was 'Atlantis' ?- perhaps it is a conglomeration of stories of cities lost to rising sea levels.
Just as the Biblical flood may well have been water breeching into the Black Sea suddenly and drowning many seaside villages.
Things get lost in the re-telling of any story - add hundreds or even thousands of years and the story grows.
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