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Old 05-06-2008, 01:12 AM
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Default Israel - Chief provocateur of the 6 Day War

Our history books say poor little Israel was surrounded on all sides and attacked by the Arabs leading to the 6 day war.
The stark reality is that the vast majority of border incidents leading to the war were deliberate Israeli provocations to give them an excuse to go on a land grab, and that's exactly what ensued.

Here are a couple of interesting vids on the subject.

YouTube - The Six-Day War Deceptions (part 1)
YouTube - The Six-Day War Deceptions (part 2)

Why were our history books rewritten and filled with Israeli lies? Did a similar thing (as some scholars have suggested) happen with the historical account of the Holocaust? Why are the Israelis allowed to continue their crimes against humanity?
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Old 05-06-2008, 01:18 AM
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Are you suggesting that the Holocaust was a fabrication?
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Old 05-06-2008, 10:22 AM
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Are you suggesting that the Holocaust was a fabrication?
I do believe there was a holocaust, but I do not believe the historical record force fed to us, much of it not based on any facts.
Why? Do you believe the Holocaust is a reason to forgive 60 years of Israeli atrocities? Don't change the subject.
Every time the Israelis go on a massacre, someone cries about the Holocaust and calls anyone who criticises Israel's actions an Anti-Semite. And that's supposed to justify genocide?
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So Egypt closing the straits which was a major israeli port wasn't provocation? Nor was Syria shooting down from the golan heights on a regular basis? or egypt, syria or jordan massing their troops at the borders?


Talk about flawed revisionist history.




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Our history books say poor little Israel was surrounded on all sides and attacked by the Arabs leading to the 6 day war.
The stark reality is that the vast majority of border incidents leading to the war were deliberate Israeli provocations to give them an excuse to go on a land grab, and that's exactly what ensued.

Here are a couple of interesting vids on the subject.

YouTube - The Six-Day War Deceptions (part 1)
YouTube - The Six-Day War Deceptions (part 2)

Why were our history books rewritten and filled with Israeli lies? Did a similar thing (as some scholars have suggested) happen with the historical account of the Holocaust? Why are the Israelis allowed to continue their crimes against humanity?
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So Egypt closing the straits which was a major israeli port wasn't provocation? Nor was Syria shooting down from the golan heights on a regular basis? or egypt, syria or jordan massing their troops at the borders?


Talk about flawed revisionist history.
And the above were not reactions to Israeli provocation? Nah never. Those Israelis are so angelic and peace loving right?
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What provocation did Israel give to close off an international port?

What provocation did Israel give in 1967 for Syria to shoot down from the golan Heights.
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So Egypt closing the straits which was a major israeli port wasn't provocation?
I suppsoe you missed the Lavon Affair, where Israeli commited acts of terrorism on egyptian soil, in order to keep Egypt under colonial influence/power.

There were also many other issues such as the Anwar Dam, and British and French influence in the region.

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Nor was Syria shooting down from the golan heights on a regular basis?
I suppose that the Israeli bombing of Syria's water reserves had nothing to do with it.

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or egypt, syria or jordan massing their troops at the borders?
Egypt's troops were re-arming land that had been taken from then during a previous Israeli invasion. If my neighbors had just invaded me, I would keep extra security on my borders with them as well.

As for Jordan, once again, I guess that you missed the Israeli invasion of Jordan just prior to the Six Day War. Israel attacked them.
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you mean this incident about the water?

"n 1964, the Israelis began withdrawing water from the Jordan River for its National Water Carrier. The following year, the Arab states began construction of the Headwater Diversion Plan, which, once completed, would divert the waters of the Banias Stream before the water entered Israel and the Sea of Galilee, to flow instead into a dam at Mukhaiba for use by Jordan and Syria, and divert the waters of the Hasbani into the Litani River, in Lebanon.[13] The diversion works would have reduced the installed capacity of Israel's carrier by about 35%, and Israel's overall water supply by about 11%

The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) attacked the diversion works in Syria in March, May, and August of 1965, perpetuating a prolonged chain of border violence that linked directly to the events leading to war.[15]"

So lets see Israel used the Jordan river as it flowed thru israel, but then Syria and Jordan diverted the waters so Israel couldnt use them.. yeah that is Israel's fault obviously . So what was Syria's excuse for bombing israel between 1948 and 1964?

and of course the Lavon affair was most certainly not influenced because of this

"In July 1950, Egypt passed a law requiring that the captains of ships passing through Egyptian ports guarantee that their cargo was intended for local consumption at their port of immediate destination. These restrictions were designed to prevent such cargo from being shipped to Israel from neutral ports.



The Arab states, and President Nasser of Egypt in particular, created and supported the Fedayeen who conducted cross-border raids against Israelis. The Fedayeen were trained and equipped by Egyptian Intelligence to infiltrate Israel, engage in hostile actions within it and to commit acts of sabotage and murder. The Fedayeen also operated from bases in Jordan."

nor by Egypt's closing of the straits to israeli ships was Nasser in any way shape or form trying to harm Israel.

And of course Israel going in to Jordan had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were harboring terrorists that launched attacks onto Israel.

geez you need to read some non-revisionist history for a change and instead read first hand accounts.



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I suppsoe you missed the Lavon Affair, where Israeli commited acts of terrorism on egyptian soil, in order to keep Egypt under colonial influence/power.

There were also many other issues such as the Anwar Dam, and British and French influence in the region.



I suppose that the Israeli bombing of Syria's water reserves had nothing to do with it.



Egypt's troops were re-arming land that had been taken from then during a previous Israeli invasion. If my neighbors had just invaded me, I would keep extra security on my borders with them as well.

As for Jordan, once again, I guess that you missed the Israeli invasion of Jordan just prior to the Six Day War. Israel attacked them.
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wannabehippie nice to see you come around and add some truth to the debate. I do hope you spend more time here your support is really needed.
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Stuff like this has no meaning to some posters here who think it is ok to try to klill American's even if civilians are killed. All for the cause.
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