Greatest Guerilla Leaders of All time? - Page 4 - Political Fever

AmericanDreamer · #31 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mono tejano

yeah, of course. Cuz THAT could NEVER have been faked. Hell, I could never make anything like that on my PC, now could I?

Actually, it's funny that the rumor of his death circulated like it did. The picture looks real enough, and there are those that believe that he IS dead.

Yes, it could have been faked. Good point

Donkey Jote · #32 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

You need to pay attention here. Read the thread title. "Greatest Guerilla Leaders of All time?". Fidel was not a guerilla leader, he was a DICTATOR. That point has been made.

Oh, now the two are mutually exclusive?

Zip up your pants, AD, your stupid is showing.

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MAybe you should be less aggressive in these posts. This is for discussion, not for you to threaten others with your rants. It seems that you are the troll here, twisting my words and spinning my posts. I suggest you stop before you get infracted.

If I did get an infraction, I would not give you the pleasure of knowing about it.

AmericanDreamer · #33 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkey Jote

If I did get an infraction, I would not give you the pleasure of knowing about it.

I know you did. No big deal.

Donkey Jote · #34 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

I know you did. No big deal.

Lol. For what?

Comrade Joe · #35 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Fidel was not a guerilla leader, he was a DICTATOR. That point has been made.

What a lie !!!

Your posts should be deleted for hijacking the thread and making totally stupid off topic snide comments. It is not about what Castro was or was not after the revolution, it is about Guerilla leaders, which btw he was !!

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In May 1958, Batista launched Operation Verano aiming to crush Castro and other anti-government groups. It was called La Ofensiva ("The Offensive") by the rebels (Alarcón Ramírez,1997). Although on paper heavily outnumbered, Castro's guerrilla forces scored a series of victories, largely aided by mass desertions from Batista's army of poorly trained and uncommitted young conscripts. During the Battle of La Plata, Castro's forces defeated an entire battalion. While pro-Castro Cuban sources later emphasized the role of Castro's guerrilla forces in these battles, other groups and leaders were also involved, such as escopeteros (poorly-armed irregulars). During the Battle of Las Mercedes, Castro's small army came close to defeat but he managed to pull his troops out by opening up negotiations with General Cantillo while secretly slipping his soldiers out of a trap.

When Operation Verano ended, Castro ordered three columns commanded by Guevara, Jaime Vega and Camilo Cienfuegos to invade central Cuba where they were strongly supported by rebellious elements who had long been operating in the area. One of Castro's columns moved out onto the Cauto Plains. Here, they were supported by Huber Matos, Raúl Castro and others who were operating in the eastern-most part of the province. On the plains, Castro's forces first surrounded the town of Guisa in Granma Province and drove out their enemies, then proceeded to take most of the towns that had been taken by Calixto García in the 1895-1898 Cuban War of Independence.

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Donkey Jote · #36 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:30 PM

But... but... but... DICTATOR!!!!!

*fapfapfap*

AmericanDreamer · #37 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Comrade Joe

What a lie !!!
Your posts should be deleted for hijacking the thread and making totally stupid off topic snide comments. It is not about what Castro was or was not after the revolution, it is about Guerilla leaders, which btw he was !!Wikimedia Error

And you should be infracted for accusing me of being a liar. Look at the top of the page of the link that you provided. This link is supposed to be proof that Fidel was a "guerilla leader"? Think again.

Your source may not be accurate, according to the source itself. The top of the page you provided us is very clear:
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.(December 2007)
Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved.
Wikimedia Error

Wikimedia is not alwaysthe best source for facts, as we all know.

Donkey Jote · #38 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

And you should be infracted for accusing me of being a liar. Look at the top of the page of the link that you provided. This link is supposed to be proof that Fidel was a "guerilla leader"? Think again.

Your source may not be accurate, according to the source itself. The top of the page you provided us is very clear:
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.(December 2007)
Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved.
Wikimedia Error

Wikimedia is not alwaysthe best source for facts, as we all know.

Are you aware of a different version of the circumstances of the Cuban Revolution?

Comrade Joe · #39 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

And you should be infracted for accusing me of being a liar. Look at the top of the page of the link that you provided. This link is supposed to be proof that Fidel was a "guerilla leader"? Think again.
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Get a fricking grip. The whole world knows Cstro was a guerilla, to deny it is plain stupid.

I just called a spade a spade, you told a lie and i called you on it.

Your trolling is wearing thin.

Comrade Joe · #40 (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 09:21 PM

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After building up a stock of guns and ammunition, Castro, Che Guevara, Juan Almeida, and eighty other rebels arrived in Cuba in 1956. This group became known as the July 26 Movement (the date that Castro had attacked the Moncada barracks). Their plan was to set up their base in the Sierra Maestra mountains. On the way to the mountains they were attacked by government troops. By the time they reached the Sierra Maestra there were only sixteen men left with twelve weapons between them. For the next few months Castro's guerrilla army raided isolated army garrisons and were gradually able to build-up their stock of weapons.

When the guerrillas took control of territory they redistributed the land amongst the peasants. In return, the peasants helped the guerrillas against Batista's soldiers. In some cases the peasants also joined Castro's army, as did students from the cities and occasionally Catholic priests.

Fidel Castro

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In 1956, Castro and Guevara landed in Cuba with a small band of insurgents, known as the '26th of July Movement', and began a guerrilla war against the government. In December 1958

BBC - History - Fidel Castro (1926- )

Your participation in this thread has shredded what tiny credibility you may have had left. It's no wonder less than a handful of people take you remotely serious.

Now quit hijacking this thread.

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