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Old 05-04-2008, 04:05 PM
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Why do you say that?

He was personally known by hundreds of people and is a legitimate historical figure. His tome is in Medina.

You should read up a little on the subject before you make inaccurate statements.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:10 PM
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A woman ahead of her time. A leader of true gorillas. Dian Fossey



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Old 05-04-2008, 04:14 PM
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Religion does not appeal to me. I do not believe anything written in any of the holy books
I wasn't comming from a religious perspective Bosco, but a military one.

There are tons of secular writtings on the battles fought by Muhammad and the tactics he used.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:16 PM
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TE Lawrence comes to mind. He was seconded from the British Army and led the Arabs in WWI when they ripped up the Turkish Army in the middle east.
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People in the West usually know very little about the guerilla warfare and tactics used by the Prophet Muhammad in his long war between Mecca and Medina. But there were several military innovations utilized to great advantage by his out numbered and badly equiped forces.
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I wasn't comming from a religious perspective Bosco, but a military one.

There are tons of secular writtings on the battles fought by Muhammad and the tactics he used.
Not many people ANYWHERE know about these stories, unless you actually subscribe to the faith that writes about him. From my understand, the man named Mohammed was actually a "figure erected at the behest of his "Companions" who needed a Christ-like figure for their own emerging religion." He may not have existed at all, but that is left up to the faith one follows.

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Your post is really silly Dreamer.

There are several great Chinese generals that the western history books never refer to. But a billion Chinese know about them.

Same with the one billion Indians and their famous military leaders.

Over one billion muslims are very familar with Muhammads conflicts on the Arabian peninsula.

You my friend are full of Western arrogance.
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While I have a lot of respect for Ernesto Guevara, he was only moderately successful in the field...

George Washington was a pretty good general, and the independence fighters in the American war for independence often used guerrilla tactics, did they not?

Subcomandante Marcos also seems to know what he is doing.
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Gorillas in the Mist: The Story of Dian Fossey
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TE Lawrence comes to mind. He was seconded from the British Army and led the Arabs in WWI when they ripped up the Turkish Army in the middle east.
A common misconception. T.E. Lawrence was an adviser, and complimented the person who really led the Arab revolt, Faysal ibn-Hussein Al Hashemi.

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As the article says, historians are generally critical of T.E. Lawrence's account of the episode. I like Lawrence, I think he was generally a good guy, though very much an orientalist (maybe you could say a "benevolent orientalist" like a "benevolent dictator"), but Faysal is seriously robbed of a lot of credit for what went down in WWI.
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Your post is really silly Dreamer.

There are several great Chinese generals that the western history books never refer to. But a billion Chinese know about them.

Same with the one billion Indians and their famous military leaders.

Over one billion muslims are very familar with Muhammads conflicts on the Arabian peninsula.

You my friend are full of Western arrogance.
There is documentation for all these people you mentioned. The documentation supports the fact that they existed. Read the article in the other thread and you will understand the point being made.

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Over a billion Christians are familiar with Christ walking on water, and with Jesus rising from the dead, or with Moses opening up the sea to walk across it. But did it really happen?? Or is it just faith that makes one believe it did? The article is quite clear.

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