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Old 04-22-2008, 09:24 PM
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My definition is pretty straightforward - killing a human being, unlawfully and with the required mental intent and without a defence of necessity.
Mine is killing a human being in cold blood.
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And here I thought the only Che fans left were historically ignorant college students who thought the famous poster looked cool.
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Mine is killing a human being in cold blood.
That's not specific enough. That would cover the death penalty as a sanctioned judicial action I mean. Do you include or exclude the death penalty from your definition?
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:35 PM
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Try to get an unabridged copy of the diaries instead Comrade or read Guerilla Warfare. Fascinating book.
I have read Guerilla Warfare, though only in a passing kind of way. I ought to give it a more studious reading.
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara was a very strong individual. Today, like never before, we need more people like him to fight ugly and wild form of American Capitalism which kills people for profit.



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And here I thought the only Che fans left were historically ignorant college students who thought the famous poster looked cool.
Which is why, often as not, I'll forgo wearing a Che shirt.

Not because of what it means to me, but because of people's ignorant misconceptions.

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That's not specific enough. That would cover the death penalty as a sanctioned judicial action I mean. Do you include or exclude the death penalty from your definition?
Include.
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The ultimate of irony.

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The ultimate of irony.

Grouch from what I have seen from you I never thought I'd say this butI agree with you. That is a sad irony that Che is remembered for that image not for his writings and his actions ah *sigh*
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Grouch from what I have seen from you I never thought I'd say this butI agree with you. That is a sad irony that Che is remembered for that image not for his writings and his actions ah *sigh*
One should hope he is not remembered for his actions. He was a despicable man, garbage of humanity. He is not remembered in Latin America for what he did but for what he supposedly stood for. Two far far different things.
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One should hope he is not remembered for his actions. He was a despicable man, garbage of humanity. He is not remembered in Latin America for what he did but for what he supposedly stood for. Two far far different things.
Grouch, as one who has lived in Latin America, been engaged to a Latinoamericana, who still has many friends all over the region and who is planning to return within the year, I can say that you couldn't be further from the truth.

Latin Americans know damn good and well exactly what he did, both the good and the bad, and he remains an icon, one of the greatest symbols of what 'un americano' can achieve if you only fight for what you believe in and have the cojones to never back down.

Che's own words:

Hay los que luchan un dia y son buenos.

Hay los que luchan un anos y son mejores.

Hay los que luchan muchos anos y son mejor aun.

pero hay los que luchan toda la vida y esos son los hombres imprecindibles.
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