I would like to see your sources.

He shot enemies of the revolution at Cabana only after they had been put on trial.

How Castro can be classed as maniacal is slightly beyond my understanding. I ddint know introducing an efficiant health and education system was maniacal. Aswell as a garented home, job, wage, food etc etc.

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"We learned a long time ago that we should never subject ourselves to the schedules of the powerful. We had to follow our own calendar and impose it on those above.” - Subcommandante Marcos

All true. Anyone sentenced to death under Che's watch was a convicted terrorist, US agent etc.

As for Fidel being a maniac, that is nonsense to say the least. If the "democrats" in the developed world nevermind the third world had made half the social achievements he has, the world would not be in the mess it is. If not for Fidel Cuba would not have more doctors per capita than anywhere else in the world. They wouldn't have done more than any other state in eradicating racism (that is Nelson Mandela's view, not mine). Every person in Cuba would not have the right to free education up to university level, they would not have a lower infant mortality rate than the US, longer life expectancy than in Scotland. For a third world country the achievements of te revolution are nothing short of breathtaking.

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Viva Fidel

"If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism"

"North Americans don't understand... that our country is not just Cuba; our country is also humanity"

Well Said Cmrade.

Long time no chat btw.

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NO PASERÁN!!

"We learned a long time ago that we should never subject ourselves to the schedules of the powerful. We had to follow our own calendar and impose it on those above.” - Subcommandante Marcos

Yeah it's good to see you back i feared you had forsaken us

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Viva Fidel

"If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism"

"North Americans don't understand... that our country is not just Cuba; our country is also humanity"

Forsaken but my campaign to enlightenthe ignorant has only begun :P:P

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"We learned a long time ago that we should never subject ourselves to the schedules of the powerful. We had to follow our own calendar and impose it on those above.” - Subcommandante Marcos

Sr. de la Serna is a truly admirable man, as much for his action as for his beliefs and desires for a better reality in Latin America.

True, he is an iconic figure all over the world and he DID go astray when he advocated violence as a method for any revolution simply because he allowed the 'revolution' to abandon the moral high-ground and accept as valid the methods of the 'reacionaries' on the political right.

but the one thing I do admire about 'Che', regardless of all his many shortcomings, is that he had the courage of his convictions and put his life on the line to fight for what he believed to be right.

As one of the few people on this forum who has actually been to the regions where he struggled and seen something akin to what he was fighting for and against, I have seen exactly why he believed what he did and why he is still viewed as one of the greatest latinoamericanos in all of the region's history.

still though, some of the things he did and advocated are inexcusable and cannot be overlooked if we are to honestly examine his actions and his legacy.

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Murderer maybe. Maniac most certainly not.

Even if he was a murderer, I refer you to my previous post: while Ernesto Guevara might have been a murderer, El Che is a symbol of liberation and equality, end point.
Well said.

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The word "murder" is being used a lot here. Who did Che "murder" or have "murdered"?

Probably depends on your definition of murder.

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My definition is pretty straightforward - killing a human being, unlawfully and with the required mental intent and without a defence of necessity.