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Old 12-18-2007, 04:15 AM
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If you had a time machine that could back to the past only 2 times, and you wanted to kill people,thugs,dictators to make the world better. Who would they be.

Karl Marx-father of marxism and commies, which killed 100,000,000 people. Almost twice as much of all the wars of the 20th century. His thinking has brought more pain on earth then any other, besides maybe the founder of Islam, which would be my first stop.
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Old 12-18-2007, 04:36 AM
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As the great Tony Benn once put it "The Marxist analysis has got nothing to do with what happened in Stalin's Russia: it's like blaming Jesus Christ for the Inquisition in Spain."
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:01 AM
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As the great Tony Benn once put it "The Marxist analysis has got nothing to do with what happened in Stalin's Russia: it's like blaming Jesus Christ for the Inquisition in Spain."
His point was that absent the thoughts of Marx, Stalin would not have come to power, and thus, the loss of life would've been stemmed. It is flawed thinking to assume the death toll would've been minimized granted, but the idea that absent Marx the USSR would've come to fruition is proposterous.

Me, I'd kill Che, and thus end the world's fixation with the man. He was incapable of public administration and his only talent was war, and thus, is not a model revolutionary. I'd also like to not see his face plastered on the chests of every pissant high school sophomore.

The second one......Alexander Hamilton. Aaron Burr took care of that central bank-loving, state-hating federalist, but I'd go back before the duel and shoot him dead.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:11 AM
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He was incapable of public administration and his only talent was war,
He administered the judiciary pretty efficiently. He had a talent for writing and did some spectacularly humane acts - seeing to lepers, his part at La Coubre.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:02 AM
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If you had a time machine that could back to the past only 2 times, and you wanted to kill people,thugs,dictaters to make the world better. Who would they be.

Karl Marx-father of marxism and commies, which killed 100,000,000 people. Almost twice as much of all the wars of the 20th century. His thinking has brought more pain on earth then any other, besides maybe the founder of Islam, which would be my first stop.
I think i might have large disagreements with you Matthew.
Karl Marx invented a philosophy to try and create equality for everyone, a society in which everyone would maximise his/her utility and benefit from it, i.e. creating a society in which the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.
As for killing Muhammed, well that shows great thought and consideration, well done.:idiot: Is it just Islam you have a problem with or every religion, I can understand you dissliking religion in general but to single out Islam, why? Because some muslims crashed planes into the twin towers? Do you know how Hitler started hating Jews? No, well neither do I. But it had something to do with not being allowed into his art school because of the jewish professors not liking his art. Racism develops from badly made, badly thought out decisions. Imagine what a Muslim reading your post might feel like, do you not think that this kind of thing, occuring daily for years and years, is what causes radicalisation.
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I think i might have large disagreements with you Matthew.
Karl Marx invented a philosophy to try and create equality for everyone, a society in which everyone would maximise his/her utility and benefit from it, i.e. creating a society in which the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.
As for killing Muhammed, well that shows great thought and consideration, well done.:idiot: Is it just Islam you have a problem with or every religion, I can understand you dissliking religion in general but to single out Islam, why? Because some muslims crashed planes into the twin towers? Do you know how Hitler started hating Jews? No, well neither do I. But it had something to do with not being allowed into his art school because of the jewish professors not liking his art. Racism develops from badly made, badly thought out decisions. Imagine what a Muslim reading your post might feel like, do you not think that this kind of thing, occuring daily for years and years, is what causes radicalisation.

I would rather kill these two man then have a hundreds of millions of people die. The world would be a much much peaceful if not for these two Man. True Karl Marx invented a philosophy that wants to make the human race more like a bee hive or Ant hill, but that is not how humans work and it want deadly wrong every were it has ever been tryed. It is not human nature, I would much rather see a system that respect human rights, but also gives the person a chance to develop. Kind of like what we have to a point here in the US. It is sad that a hundred million plus have died because of these idea in not onlly USSR but China and a large area of south a central America, Africa. In a more perfect world maybe it would work, but its not worth the death.


As for Muhammed, he used force to force people to convert to his way of thinking. Yes all muslims are not bad, but the general mind set causes more pain and death. You see hundreds of Terrorist attacks a year from these people killing more and more people. In you wonder why, the why is that islam has not reformed like Christianity. Even before the reform Christianity was know were near what islam is. In fact 9-14 Ad islam was more humain then it currently is.

I would rather see Arab and every other human be happy in no more death. In which these two people have "started".

I'm sorry but this is the way it is. At the very least I would of thrown a bucket of water over Muhammed head in told to wake up. And talked Marx out of it.
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I would rather kill these two man then have a hundreds of millions of people die. The world would be a much much peaceful if not for these two Man. True Karl Marx invented a philosophy that wants to make the human race more like a bee hive or Ant hill, but that is not how humans work and it want deadly wrong every were it has ever been tryed. It is not human nature, I would much rather see a system that respect human rights, but also gives the person a chance to develop. Kind of like what we have to a point here in the US. It is sad that a hundred million plus have died because of these idea in not onlly USSR but China and a large area of south a central America, Africa. In a more perfect world maybe it would work, but its not worth the death.


As for Muhammed, he used force to force people to convert to his way of thinking. Yes all muslims are not bad, but the general mind set causes more pain and death. You see hundreds of Terrorist attacks a year from these people killing more and more people. In you wonder why, the why is that islam has not reformed like Christianity. Even before the reform Christianity was know were near what islam is. In fact 9-14 Ad islam was more humain then it currently is.

I would rather see Arab and every other human be happy in no more death. In which these two people have "started".

I'm sorry but this is the way it is. At the very least I would of thrown a bucket of water over Muhammed head in told to wake up. And talked Marx out of it.
If that's what you truly believe then I feel sorry for you. Islam is not perfect but it is very reasonable when compared with some of the crap in the bible. It promotes charity and kindness and respect, in Islam a non-Islam can got to heaven. You talk of terrorist attcks but you did not experience all the I.R.A. attacks in Britain, (at least they tried to blow up Thatcher)-Joke!
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:46 AM
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Jesus never wished death on any one unlike Muhammed, which lead a army and killed people. He had his generals take over large area of asia,middle east after his death. In they killed more and more people. Jesus died for sins and hoped humans would try to work things out, the IRA is not following Jesus's word at all. Also Muslims at least parts I've seen believe that the unbelieve has to pay a tax and be a second class in any country that is muslim. Also they believe that its all Allah's will. Big difference.
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Lets see, killing of Moses, would be able to get rid of all the vilionce that was created by christianty, dont really need another kill since this changes the world forever
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